blue out west 27 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I literally haven't got a clue how anything you said relates to my comment. I talked about the ability of Ramires and Mikel and fleetingly mentioned that Ramires, Lampard and Mata were our 3 best players against Blackburn. At no stage did I say we didn;t boss possession, move the ball around, create chances at the pace we chose or say Blackburn threatened anymore than a few counter attacks, meaning Im assuming that you simply quoted the wrong post or failed to actually read my post.I guess deduction isn't really your thing. Ramires wasn't bossing shit he was getting up and down the pitch as he does. Mikel is the one who sits in the middle and breaks up + starts attacks. It seems that if someone isn't flailing around or doing fancy moves all the time and scoring then he's a worthless footballer. So boring to talk with you people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazón De León 58 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 A chelsea win, clean sheet and no Bosingwa!!!!!!!! Great!!! Cech was brilliant, he even played with a broken nose and didnt want to come off, what a legend!!! We're so lucky to have a goalkeeper as amazing as him, I swear!! :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 A chelsea win, clean sheet and no Bosingwa!!!!!!!! Great!!! Cech was brilliant, he even played with a broken nose and didnt want to come off, what a legend!!! We're so lucky to have a goalkeeper as amazing as him, I swear!! :')this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I guess deduction isn't really your thing. Ramires wasn't bossing shit he was getting up and down the pitch as he does. Mikel is the one who sits in the middle and breaks up + starts attacks. It seems that if someone isn't flailing around or doing fancy moves all the time and scoring then he's a worthless footballer. So boring to talk with you people.I guess deduction isn't really your thing. Ramires wasn't bossing shit he was getting up and down the pitch as he does. Mikel is the one who sits in the middle and breaks up + starts attacks. It seems that if someone isn't flailing around or doing fancy moves all the time and scoring then he's a worthless footballer. So boring to talk with you people.Hmm some of my favourite players in the world : Busquets, Alonso, Pirlo. Those are 3 deep lying playmakers, the position Mikel plays, and those are 3 players who play the position a hell of a lot better than Mikel. Yes Ramires was running, that's what he does, he is a box to box midfielder, do you want a box to box midfielder that doesn't run because that would defeat the purpose. I am fully aware of Mikel's position, what his role in the side is and what the requirements of that position are, what I question is his execution of those requirements. Im sorry but in any of my close to 300 posts on this forum can you quote a single one where I say I only like players are "flailing, doing fancy skill, scoring" because I would truly love to see such a quote. If on the otherhand you don't have such a quote (perhaps because it doesn't exist) then Id like you to stop making such assumptions about me. A shielding midfield player is important in a team, particularly a team that plays with attacking full backs, Barcelona and Real Madrid (the two greatest club sides in the world) play with a deep lying playmaker as do reigning European and World Champions Spain, I am not questioning the usefulness of the position what I am saying is that Mikel isn't Sergio Busquets, he isn't Xabi Alonso and he isn't Andrea Pirlo. For a club as big as we are and with the aspirations we have I think we can do better than Mikel, not that we should scrap the deep lying playmaker idea, rather we require a better deep lying playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantdeville 195 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 ^^am I wrong or is it that the 3 players you listed are deep-lying playmakers and you are comparing them to a pure "holding midfielder"? I don't think mikels role was ever to get as far forward as they do. From what I know, those two roles are defined a bit differently. Just saying. Could be wrong tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 i hope you mean the 4 matches this season otherwise it would not make any sense saying that drogba keeps sulking around because he cant put the ball in the net. if i remember correctly he had 15 assists ( second only to nani) compared to 11 goals last season. does not seem to be the stat of a "sulking and uncaring person"Just trying to wind you up mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 The biggest thing was the clean sheet, scrappy as it was it goes down as our first 1-0 win under Boas - I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 ^^am I wrong or is it that the 3 players you listed are deep-lying playmakers and you are comparing them to a pure "holding midfielder"? I don't think mikels role was ever to get as far forward as they do. From what I know, those two roles are defined a bit differently. Just saying. Could be wrong tho.Alonso and Pirlo probably are allowed to get forward more than Mikel but they are deep lying playmakers and I continously see Mikel mentioned as a deep lying playmaker on here. If you were going for direct comparisons then Busquets and Javi Martinez are two that play the Mikel role but both play is significantly better than he does. To me an out and out holding midfielder is a tackler, a ball winner and someone who then starts attacks ala Makelele, De Jong, Yaya Toure (when he plays there). As I've said Im not having a go at the shielding defensive midfielder position, when done well it is hugely effective (Busquets, Marcos Senna, Javi Martinez) I am saying though that Mikel isn't in the same league as those players and that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 The biggest thing was the clean sheet, scrappy as it was it goes down as our first 1-0 win under Boas - I think.Yeah (not counting preseason) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,957 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncJRGdLKRac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Nice find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 ohh. sorry mate just get a bit toushy when it comes to drogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy10 478 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 goalkeeper: cechdefense: ivanovic - terry - alex - colemidfield: mikel - lampard - ramires (romeu 90min.)attack: mata (meireles 82min.) - sturridge - malouda (torres 45min.)cool.. we won another difficult 3 premier league points away vs blackburn!!damn.. we need to play better football, okey i accept we played away vs an premier league club, never easy,but our russia boss roman abramovich has the cash money, we have the africans, we have the dragon´s fc porto connections!!damn.. we need more technique coaches, we need to play like fc barcelona, this is work since years, technique killers,jose mourinho the special one & andre villas boas are world class manager´s,but we need more coaches/workers who are psyho technique freaks like me, what ya all think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 but we need more coaches/workers who are psyho technique freaks like me, what ya all think??I agree... we've all been blind, blaming the players, while we totally lack psycho technique coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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