Korea 734 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'd agree with you mate but even worse than selling a player like Mata is keeping a player like Mata on the bench. A player of such exceptional quality deserves to be on the pitch, if not for Chelsea than for another (non EPL) club.The bench is for young, aspiring talents such as De Bruyne, Willian and experienced, less talented players (Obi Mikel, ...).WIllian not really young anymore.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 WIllian not really young anymore.... 25 is pretty young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 25 is pretty young.not for a footballer.....You should be near or in your peak, especially attackin players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 not for a footballer.....You should be near or in your peak, especially attackin players...I think even for a footballer it is young. Willian wont even be 30 by the time the Russian World cup comes around. I think he will be near his peak, as long as he does not pick up any major injuries, in his late 20's, especially since he has just moved to a big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhYE5UJ_pEoWhat's with the Assassin's Creed shirt? Is he doing some voice acting for the Spanish version or just a fan of the game series?Anyway, good interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I still think there's a place for Mata in the starting lineup. Oscar's future is at CM for me in a B2B role.As great as Oscar is he doesn't have the vision of someone like Mata. Playmakers of that ilk are rare.They can definitely play together. Spike and Clevemayer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParNolio7 285 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Totally agree Oscar and Mata could play together.Mata together with Lampard is another story ...But it's difficult to say goodbye to Franky after all he's done and how he's still performing today.But ideally, you'd put a hard working, defensive midfielder next to Mata and Oscar in front of them.Ramires could be the defensive midfielder, but in that position loses a lot of his attacking assets ...Hard choices ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24759454There will be an interview with Mata on Football Focus on BBC One and the BBC Sport website from 12:00 GMT this Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 What's with the Assassin's Creed shirt? Is he doing some voice acting for the Spanish version or just a fan of the game series?Anyway, good interview. More like getting payed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakozium257 350 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 You don't sell a player like Mata. You simply don't.This!I really don't get it how some are actually being complacent because it's going good for us, and don't mind us selling him. What if we get an injury plague like Schalke, you want us to go back to the good ol' days (10-11 esp.) where we didn't have a strong bench. I def. believe that we shouldn't sell Mata at all costs because he's our own treasure, and you can feel from his vibes that he loves being a part of the club. The rotation policy that Mourinho is running atm. is wonderfully smooth, and I def. see Mata starting some of the upcoming games, besides, he's great friends with Oscar and I surely think that they mutually love the challenge of challenging and rotating for the same spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This!I really don't get it how some are actually being complacent because it's going good for us, and don't mind us selling him. What if we get an injury plague like Schalke, you want us to go back to the good ol' days (10-11 esp.) where we didn't have a strong bench. I def. believe that we shouldn't sell Mata at all costs because he's our own treasure, and you can feel from his vibes that he loves being a part of the club. The rotation policy that Mourinho is running atm. is wonderfully smooth, and I def. see Mata starting some of the upcoming games, besides, he's great friends with Oscar and I surely think that they mutually love the challenge of challenging and rotating for the same spot. It's not about being complacent, but not being sentimental. We still have areas in the team that need strengthening and if an offer came in for Mata then it should probably be considered when he's not a key member of the first-team. We beat the best team in the land (in many people's opinion) with him on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Our other attacking mids are not great enough for us to sell Mata, they are all good but Mata is still the best and most effective of the lot in attacking positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Our other attacking mids are not great enough for us to sell Mata, they are all good but Mata is still the best and most effective of the lot in attacking positions.Well Oscar seems to be doing a pretty good job this season, leading us to second place in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Juan Mata: ‘During a bad moment you need friends like Fernando Torres around you’An exclusive interview with Mata in the London Evening Standard as he promotes the new game of Assasin's Creed IV: Black Flag.. Bir_CFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carayip 15 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Our other attacking mids are not great enough for us to sell Mata, they are all good but Mata is still the best and most effective of the lot in attacking positions. Well Oscar seems to be doing a pretty good job this season, leading us to second place in the league. I seem to remember that at the same time last year Mata was leading us to first place in the league... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Well Oscar seems to be doing a pretty good job this season, leading us to second place in the league.He has done well but we are 2nd because of our defensive workrate imo, because our attack has hardly been brilliant so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 It's not about being complacent, but not being sentimental. We still have areas in the team that need strengthening and if an offer came in for Mata then it should probably be considered when he's not a key member of the first-team. We beat the best team in the land (in many people's opinion) with him on the bench.Mata is one of the best passers in the World and the player most likely to unlock opposition defenses. How about giving him some more time to find his place in this team before completely writing him off?He loves it at the club, he's a consummate professional and he's one of the most charismatic and intelligent players in the League. Not only that but he's already proven how good he is the previous two seasons.It's up to Mourinho AND Mata to find a way to integrate a player of his ilk into the team because they're incredibly. He's the player most likely to unlock tight defenses and is the ultimate big game player. As great as Oscar & De Bruyne are they don't have his vision. BlueLyon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 He has done well but we are 2nd because of our defensive workrate imo, because our attack has hardly been brilliant so far. That seems to me more of a systemic thing, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Mata is one of the best passers in the World and the player most likely to unlock opposition defenses. How about giving him some more time to find his place in this team before completely writing him off?I haven't completely written him off.He loves it at the club, he's a consummate professional and he's one of the most charismatic and intelligent players in the League. Not only that but he's already proven how good he is the previous two seasons.He's a great guy and he's been great for us, but we're a better team right now. I'm sure he can be part of the team going forward, but I expect we'll have success with or without Mata.It's up to Mourinho AND Mata to find a way to integrate a player of his ilk into the team because they're incredibly. He's the player most likely to unlock tight defenses and is the ultimate big game player. As great as Oscar & De Bruyne are they don't have his vision.I disagree that he's the 'ultimate big game player' because he's disappeared in plenty of matches, big and small. I also think Oscar has the potential to be as good as Mata and is already one of our most important players.He has done well but we are 2nd because of our defensive workrate imo, because our attack has hardly been brilliant so far.Defensive workrate - something Oscar has in abundance and Mata doesn't.Also whilst our attack has hardly been brilliant, Oscar has been doing more than his fair share.I seem to remember that at the same time last year Mata was leading us to first place in the league...I'd argue we're a much better team now, with a proper manager in charge. Stingray and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I haven't completely written him off.He's a great guy and he's been great for us, but we're a better team right now. I'm sure he can be part of the team going forward, but I expect we'll have success with or without Mata.I disagree that he's the 'ultimate big game player' because he's disappeared in plenty of matches, big and small. I also think Oscar has the potential to be as good as Mata and is already one of our most important players.Defensive workrate - something Oscar has in abundance and Mata doesn't.Also whilst our attack has hardly been brilliant, Oscar has been doing more than his fair share.I'd argue we're a much better team now, with a proper manager in charge.I agree, hence my like for you. But somehow i keep feeling that it is doing disservice to a good trooper a bit. Oscar has done us well, but Mata has done us well longer, really well. Does that guarantee him (or Oscar for that matter) a future, no... But it does earn him respect (which I think the OP/TOPTB has a lot of) and a viable chance to be in a next generation Chelsea team. The real question imo is how we can do this in a good way and what he is willing to do for it. That will be the matter ethics, vision, identity ... throughout the entire setup - management to players. The true Mourinho challenge. This issue was raised last year and the year before. IMO, is the way we treat our player/subs/loanees/youngsters , while performing. All that will pay huge tribute to what we will become as a club in the future. But I think we can do it, and Mata could be a key figure in that, really. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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