🇧🇪 Romelu Lukaku

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

2 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

I think @Chelsea Legend 11 is talking about right now, not the past. I highlighted this earlier - why aren't the likes of PSG, United, City, Arsenal truly after Morata? Why is he going to AC Milan if he's so in demand and a top striker? Why are Chelsea and United more interested in Lukaku if Morata was the one we should be all looking at?

Even when they bought him back it was only because Real knew they could get more for him than it would cost to buy him back. Easy transaction... The fact Juve have yet to show any interest in him is quite telling to me though

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

I said a younger Costa doesn't excite me and we have no clue what's to come from him.

I'm sure we could get Belotti for a similar fee to Lukaku. Our club love to haggle after all.

 

Why do you think Belotti is better than Lukaku btw? Why is he? What does he do better? I want to hear some opinions on this. I wouldn't mind the club signing Belotti btw.

[LAM09 7,056]

I wouldn't mind Belotti, he's def an interesting choice. He does have a smaller sample size to Lukaku though... Would be hard to spring big bucks for a guy who's had essentially one great season.

He just seems to have all the tools to become a great CF for us.

[Clockwork 1,794]

2 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

They then went and bought Higuain for 70m when they could've just negotiated a fee with Real... That's basically why they bought him back.

No, Morata also wanted to go back to Madrid. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

20 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

SO let me get this straight, is Lukaku a powerful striker in your mind or not?

Yes I want my striker to be a goalscorer first. That is the MOST important part of a strikers make up... GOALSCORING.

And you think that guy is Morata??? Based on what exactly?

You have no way of knowing what Lukaku can be in our system, if he can score 25 for Everton there's no reason to believe he can't replicate that at Chelsea for years to come. Even with his limitations he's scoring boatloads of goals because he has that strikers mentality; he's always where he needs to be to score. Special gift.

We're still talking about Morata, right? Not Messi. Morata makes the ball stick, but he doesn't really dribble past anyone or use slick movement to beat men. For is ENTIRE career he's averaged less than 0.8 dribble a game(On par with Defoe and Benteke). For as terrible as Lukaku is technically, he averages 1.2 dribbles a game for his career and just last season was at 1.7. Morata is probably better at keeping the ball but where is the hard evidence that he is better using it? Lukaku had 1.3 key passes a game this season...Dele Alli and Kane both had 1.4 Costa 1.2.... Morata 0.7 PLAYING FOR REAL MADRID!

I think how you work is based on the assignment you're given in a specific system.

Yes, strikers can improve especially in teams like Juventus and Madrid. Don't you find it odd that we are aspiring to emulate those teams and they don't want Morata? 

I don't know who Conte or the board prefer and to be quite frank I'm willing to go with whoever they deem is a better fit for us, I just get worked up when you shit on a guy who's scored 85 goals already just because he can't link play yet. If there is anything I've seen is Lukaku is an extremely hard worker who comes back every season better than the one before, can you say the same about Morata given what you've seen? 

I respect your opinion, but when you start pointing out stats of how much Morata or Lukaku dribble, Im not sure what to think of that. Morata is miles better in ball control. Dribbling doesnt mean anything if there is no context. Watching both players in games gives you context. For example Adama Traore has most dribbles of all players, but he is average player at best. 

Same for chances created. Its clear as day Morata has better vision and pass even if stats dont show it.

Then you say Lukaku is extreme hardworker and question the same for Morata...

Lukaku is not half the worker Morata is. Perhaps you have Madrid Morata on mind where he indeed doesnt have extensive need of tracking back (unlike he did in juve), because Real is much more free flowing team and Morata is main striker there unlike in juve when he was partnered up front, but even then he is still very hardworking. 

I think Lukaku has football style of powerful striker (obviously given his size), but he doesnt use it to max potential. One thing is to bully smaller sides, something else to bully top sides which he hasnt yet. 

Just wondering would you prefer Inzaghi over Drogba? Man, even for strikers, goals are not everything. 

Both Lukaku and Morata are good strikers, you fancy one, I fancy the other, based on their styles and mentality. 

We will see how things end up at Chelsea and hopefuly it works for us whoever it is, because thats most important.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Just now, Clockwork said:

No, Morata also wanted to go back to Madrid. 

The main reason Real bought Morata was because they want to make cash from him. He was never part of the long term project there. Doesn't matter if Morata wanted to go back or not, clearly not wanted there.

[LAM09 7,056]

Why do you think Belotti is better than Lukaku btw? Why is he? What does he do better? I want to hear some opinions on this. I wouldn't mind the club signing Belotti btw.

He has that tenacious attitude like Costa, always gives his all on the pitch, better finisher and his link up play is quite good too.

I just see him being the ideal CF to lead a Conte team and he probably would have done so with the NT, had Conte still been at the helm.

[Clockwork 1,794]

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

I think @Chelsea Legend 11 is talking about right now, not the past. I highlighted this earlier - why aren't the likes of PSG, United, City, Arsenal truly after Morata? Why is he going to AC Milan if he's so in demand and a top striker? Why are Chelsea and United more interested in Lukaku if Morata was the one we should be all looking at?

Morata is going to Milan? Seems like he definitely said he will not play in Italy next season, heavily linked United. 

I get your and others preference for Lukaku, but this is not a good argument against Morata.

it appears Morata and Lukaku are getting similar interests.

[Pizy 18,915]

6 minutes ago, Leif said:

why does it have to be the next best thing instead of the hundreds of strikers who'd easily get 20 goals a season but cost 10m since they're 29 and don't have marketing power?

why would you ignore all the brilliant players who simply don't have the star names?

nobody who studies this game and its players seriously, dismisses them. i'm talking players who do *everything right consistently*, not these hot and cold players who only do 1 thing to an extreme. maybe football's just changing in other ways other than money too. the fans.

Who do you suggest? There are a dozen midfielders who United could've signed that barely got any assists and barely scored any goals but they paid £90m for Pogba. For around the same money we get a player who adds so much more productivity and is around the same age. True, the fee is shocking but that's just the way it is now.

We can look back in 5 years and say that Lukaku was a bargain if he continues scoring at the same pace as he has been in far worse teams than Chelsea. And why wouldn't he with much better players around him? 

Honestly, what does Diego Costa offer that Lukaku doesn't? 

[The Skipper 20,609]

7 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Morata is going to Milan? Seems like he definitely said he will not play in Italy next season, heavily linked United. 

I get your and others preference for Lukaku, but this is not a good argument against Morata.

it appears Morata and Lukaku are getting similar interests.

He's just been properly linked with United today (Jose is the one who gave Morata his chance tbh), but all reports before had him going to Milan on a 60m euros deal. We'll see - apparently Milan are moving on to Costa which is quite interesting.

[mashimaru161 77]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

He's just been properly linked with United today, but all reports before had him going to Milan on a 60m euros deal. We'll see - apparently Milan have moved to Costa which is quite interesting.

Morata has denied milan rumour

[mashimaru161 77]

23 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Even when they bought him back it was only because Real knew they could get more for him than it would cost to buy him back. Easy transaction... The fact Juve have yet to show any interest in him is quite telling to me though

But juve did wanted to bring him back, at first. They then decided it's better to suck their rival dry, went on to pay 90m for a guy who disappears in final. Served them right.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

If Morata is so good, and if Conte really prefers him (I would love to know how you know), why is he going to AC Milan? Why aren't the likes of PSG, Chelsea, United, City all pushing for him?

Conte brought Morata to Juve, Morata said he would love to work with Conte one day. It seems logical, no?

How do you know he is going to Milan? And yes he has been linked alot with Chelsea and United lately, so there is definately interest (or at least papers say so).

But to inform you, he said he wants to stay in Madrid in interview after final.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

11 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

I respect your opinion, but when you start pointing out stats of how much Morata or Lukaku dribble, Im not sure what to think of that. Morata is miles better in ball control. Dribbling doesnt mean anything if there is no context. Watching both players in games gives you context. For example Adama Traore has most dribbles of all players, but he is average player at best. 

Same for chances created. Its clear as day Morata has better vision and pass even if stats dont show it.

Then you say Lukaku is extreme hardworker and question the same for Morata...

Lukaku is not half the worker Morata is. Perhaps you have Madrid Morata on mind where he indeed doesnt have extensive need of tracking back (unlike he did in juve), because Real is much more free flowing team and Morata is main striker there unlike in juve when he was partnered up front, but even then he is still very hardworking. 

I think Lukaku has football style of powerful striker (obviously given his size), but he doesnt use it to max potential. One thing is to bully smaller sides, something else to bully top sides which he hasnt yet. 

Just wondering would you prefer Inzaghi over Drogba? Man, even for strikers, goals are not everything. 

Both Lukaku and Morata are good strikers, you fancy one, I fancy the other, based on their styles and mentality. 

We will see how things end up at Chelsea and hopefuly it works for us whoever it is, because thats most important.

I respect yours as well, I would hope you would know how to extrapolate what the hard stats mean in the context of one's evaluation of a player. Obviously anyone whose watched them both play knows Morata has the better ball control. What the stat shows is Lukaku, perhaps through being more isolated, has improved in his ability to go at players 1 v 1. He's not exactly a donkey when in possession and also has a heightened sense of awareness as to when to release the ball to players in better positions.

There is nothing clear as day that illustrates Morata has better vision. I think you're formulating opinions that suit the idea you have in your head for Morata. 

What I said was you can't determine how hard one works by comparing them in two different set ups. I also said Lukaku works hard on his game because he always comes back a better player than the year before.

And you are correct most powerful strikers learn how to use their size later on which is what makes Lukaku even more intriguing. He's still figuring out how to make the best use of his body yet he's still scoring 20+ goals meaning he's not just relying on his physicality to score.

I'm biased... Drogba to me was the most complete striker I'd ever see play. On his day he was the hardest striker to deal with. Left foot, right foot, headers, in the box or outside it, pace, power, decent technique. Inzaghi, if I remember correctly was more of a fox in the box type. Clinical inside the 18, great header of the ball but hardly scored any absolute golazo's

Morata needs to score more on a regular basis for me to see him as our striker for the future. Lukaku seems like the type that will do anything to score for Chelsea and at the age of 24, I can't think of many available strikers who combine passion for the club and finishing.

[AK-3001 286]

Real madrid reject Manchester United's 52 million pound bid for Morata. Real Madrid want 78 million pounds for him.

-Sky Italia

 

If United are going after Morata, that means it's Chelsea for Lukaku, pretty much.

[AK-3001 286]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

Why do you think Belotti is better than Lukaku btw? Why is he? What does he do better? I want to hear some opinions on this. I wouldn't mind the club signing Belotti btw.

I know someone that watches Serie A a lot and he is of the opinion that Belotti is better than Lukaku. HIs overall gameplay is much better and he knows how to score goals. Has good pace and is a threat in the air as well.

 

100 million Euros is a lot though, imo, for someone we didn't know about 1-2 years back.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

8 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

Real madrid reject Manchester United's 52 million pound bid for Morata. Real Madrid want 78 million pounds for him.

-Sky Italia

 

If United are going after Morata, that means it's Chelsea for Lukaku, pretty much.

Sky Italia is as terrible as Sky Nigeria... real talk.

[Thor 2,711]

I don't see how he fails here... he is coming to our team where he will have 10 times better service than that of Everton. Costa manages to get 20 a season and he isn't as clinical as Lukaku.
As for attitude somehow separating Lukaku and Costa... I don't see it. Costa wasn't anything special in big matches. In fact I think Lukaku has put in more against top opponents this season... with Everton players feeding him the ball.

He is better in the air by a country mile as well as being a more clinical finisher. The whole not a hard worker and attitude points are moot until we see him play here. Going by facts though, he is more clinical and multi faceted than Costa. The rest is conjecture as of now.

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[AK-3001 286]

Just now, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Sky Italia is as terrible as Sky Nigeria... real talk.

I know, it's all over Twitter though, various sources have reported in the last hour. 

 

The likes of Fabrizio Romano, Alex Shaw, DiMarzio..

 

Too much smoke to not catch attention.

[AK-3001 286]

2 minutes ago, Thor said:

I don't see how he fails here... he is coming to our team where he will have 10 times better service than that of Everton. Costa manages to get 20 a season and he isn't as clinical as Lukaku.
As for attitude somehow separating Lukaku and Costa... I don't see it. Costa wasn't anything special in big matches. In fact I think Lukaku has put in more against top opponents this season... with Everton players feeding him the ball.

He is better in the air by a country mile as well as being a more clinical finisher. The whole not a hard worker and attitude points are moot until we see him play here. Going by facts though, he is more clinical and multi faceted than Costa. The rest is conjecture as of now.

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Honestly, I'd choose Costa over Lukaku still any day. If we were lettng go of Costa and getting Lukaku to replace him, I'd have been a bit sad, but since it looks like we might be keeping Costa too, this would be an absolutely amazing signing.