Daniel1980 1,425 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I also don't think he's stupid. What is the possible justification in 2014 for thinking that Torres and Drogba are "good enough"? There isn't. Torres is literally one of the worst strikers in the league and Drogba is 36. . At the end of the day, Jose will have to live or die by this particular decision as it could end up costing him his job. Right now, it makes no sense. Well, no one would buy Torres, so I don't think Jose's opinion on him matters anyway. As for Drogba--yeah, I agree that it doesn't make sense. It never did to me. Unless we will bring in a young talented HG striker, I'll be disappointed with Torres and Drogba as Costa's substitutes. I hope Jose knows what he is doing and has a plan. He knows what is at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 quoted from skysports live transfernews: the Blues will only be prepared to sanction a permanent switch to a rival English club for the forward, Why would we want him to only go to an english team if the switch was permanent ? That doesn't really make a lot of sense.If we were to put any limitations on a permanent move wouldn't it make more sense to do the opposite ? Have him join a foreign team rather then an english one ? zolayes, Clevemayer, The Mak and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Well, no one would buy Torres, so I don't think Jose's opinion on him matters anyway. As for Drogba--yeah, I agree that it doesn't make sense. It never did to me. Unless we will bring in a young talented HG striker, I'll be disappointed with Torres and Drogba as Costa's substitutes. I hope Jose knows what he is doing and has a plan. He knows what is at stake. Fair enough. Nobody will buy him but we aren't forced to play him. What we were all expecting though was for Mourinho to create a situation were Torres is 3rd choice and is exiled from the group, like Ba was last season. Or even make him the 4th choice (with Costa, Lukaku and Didier ahead of him) and give him the Bogarde/Malouda treatment. We need to make him feel uncomfortable at the club after all his well documented failures. The yobs at the Bridge who still stupidly chant his name are just clueless. Now, if Lukaku goes, he has a chance to fight for 2nd spot against a clearly past it Drogba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Why would we want him to only go to an english team if the switch was permanent ? That doesn't really make a lot of sense.If we were to put any limitations on a permanent move wouldn't it make more sense to do the opposite ? Have him join a foreign team rather then an english one ?Maybe they're messing with us now. NOTHING makes sense about this Lukaku business. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Why would we want him to only go to an english team if the switch was permanent ? That doesn't really make a lot of sense.If we were to put any limitations on a permanent move wouldn't it make more sense to do the opposite ? Have him join a foreign team rather then an english one ?that made no sense to me either ,, But the whole of the last year with Lukaku has made no sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Fair enough. Nobody will buy him but we aren't forced to play him. What we were all expecting though was for Mourinho to create a situation were Torres is 3rd choice and is exiled from the group, like Ba was last season. Or even make him the 4th choice (with Costa, Lukaku and Didier ahead of him) and give him the Bogarde/Malouda treatment. We need to make him feel uncomfortable at the club after all his well documented failures. The yobs at the Bridge who still stupidly chant his name are just clueless. Now, if Lukaku goes, he has a chance to fight for 2nd spot against a clearly past it Drogba.Except I suspect Torres might be happy enough to sit on the bench and earn his ridiculous salary by doing nothing.I'm not happy with our striker situation, but I still hope Jose has a clear plan to fix it without resorting to playing Schurrle or Fabregas as a false 9, though they would still do a better job than Torres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted July 29, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 29, 2014 Maybe they're messing with us now. NOTHING makes sense about this Lukaku business.I find it difficult to really have an opinion on this whole Lukaku business.A lot of people are slamming the board or slamming Lukaku based on assumptions they're making.I prefer to wait until (IF) the move actually happens and i know who it was that pushed for the move.If Lukaku wants to leave then you can't really blame Mourinho or the board for selling him.If Mourinho doesn't rate Lukaku and wants to sell him then you can't blame Lukaku for moving to another club.Honestly i'm okay with whatever happens.If Lukaka goes to another club then that means he either didn't wanna fight for his spot or that Mourinho didn't rate Lukaku.If he stays then that means Lukaku wants to fight for his spot and that Mourinho rates him. The Mak, The only place to be, Madmax and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The yobs at the Bridge who still stupidly chant his name are just clueless. You mean the supporters? Where do people like you get off criticising the supporters who turn up to matches they've spent their hard-earned money buying tickets for, just because they SUPPORT OUR FUCKING PLAYERS??And they're 'yobs' apparently? Trying to endear yourself using British lingo? Wrong word. that made no sense to me either ,, But the whole of the last year with Lukaku has made no sense to meWhat doesn't make sense?He requested a transfer away from this club. He asked to leave. He said he didn't want to be here.In what universe does Jose Mourinho respect or appreciate that type of attitude? bababoom, Viper22 and couris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,142 Posted July 29, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 29, 2014 Good post.The thing is, Romelu thinks he is good enough to lead our line to a (hopefully) PL and CL title. He cant deal with the fact that we bought Costa..Ive said it before and ill say it again, he isnt THAT good and will never be.Mate, please can you give me a quote where he said he wants to leave because Costa has joined? I would really appreciate it if people stop basing their opinions on assumptions and actually hearing Lukaku's words. The last I heard, our own assistant manager said he wants to come back and fight for his place. I think it is becoming clear that Mourinho does not want him. He bought Costa as our no.1 striker which we all wanted but then he signs a 36 year old Drogba who in his words is still "one of the best strikers in Europe." Then there is Torres who despite how shit he has been at this club and who Mourinho to my shock started over Lukaku for 2 games last season despite Lukaku being the most in form striker. He obviously had Costa and Drogba as his no.1 and no.2 then presumably Torres as his 3rd choice. We play with 1 upfront. Lukaku is being pushed towards the exit door. Simple to me.Also once again why do people judge him as a finished article? He is clearly not. If you get 17 goals in the league at the age of 19 and 15 at the age of 21 and you don't see serious potential there something is wrong and very oblivious. He is heading for the top but some people are letting their personal hatred for him get in the way of their actual rating for him.If you went back in time when Costa was 21, you probably would have laughed your head off if you said in 5 years he would be a La Liga winner and scored over 30 goals. You know why because at the age of 20/21 guess where Costa was? In the second tier of Spain playing for Albacate. He started 34 games and scored 10 in the what? Second division. Following season in La Liga with Valladolid he scored 8 in 32 appearances. Now look at him now. Moral of the story: don't judge young players as the finished article because even Lukaku has things to work on, he is showing signs that he can turn out to be an excellent striker as not only did Lukaku have more goals at his age but also in the PL. Stingray, MrExcalibur100, Mufassir08 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 You mean the supporters? Where do people like you get off criticising the supporters who turn up to matches they've spent their hard-earned money buying tickets for, just because they SUPPORT OUR FUCKING PLAYERS??And they're 'yobs' apparently? Trying to endear yourself using British lingo? Wrong word.What? I grew up in London. I'm not sure what your point is and I know what a yob is.And of course I didn't mean all our supporters. Man United fans knew when to stop singing Moyes songs when they realized the damage he was doing to their club. It's my personal opinion and it wasn't even the main point I was making. But you always take everything personally, so whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Mate, please can you give me a quote where he said he wants to leave because Costa has joined? I would really appreciate it if people stop basing their opinions on assumptions and actually hearing Lukaku's words."Woah, what's happening here?" - Romelu Lukaku a year ago when Chelsea signed a has-been Samuel Eto'oIf that was his reaction when faced with a challenge to compete with Eto'o and Torres for a place, do you honestly think he fancies going up against Costa either? If he goes, it was most certainly by his own request. Bluelsthecolour, Daniel1980, Barbara and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 "Woah, what's happening here?" - Romelu Lukaku a year ago when Chelsea signed a has-been Samuel Eto'oIf that was his reaction when faced with a challenge to compete with Eto'o and Torres for a place, do you honestly think he fancies going up against Costa either? If he goes, it was most certainly by his own request.Because he saw that he couldnt get a start over an inferior Ba and Torres and then Eto'o arrives. I am sure there was some humour to that anyway but regardless he has not directly said he wants to leave because Costa is here. As I was saying, the most reliable source was that he wanted to fight for his place from Steve Holland. So it is unfair for people to put words in his mouth and say he wants out simply because Costa has arrived. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Because he saw that he couldnt get a start over an inferior Ba and Torres and then Eto'o arrives. I am sure there was some humour to that anyway but regardless he has not directly said he wants to leave because Costa is here. As I was saying, the most reliable source was that he wanted to fight for his place from Steve Holland. So it is unfair for people to put words in his mouth and say he wants out simply because Costa has arrived.Inferior in terms of what though?The same word could be used for Origi, who benched Lukaku for Belgium. Torres, ba and eto are better holdup players than lukaku is ....Right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Inferior in terms of what though?The same word could be used for Origi, who benched Lukaku for Belgium. Torres, ba and eto are better holdup players than lukaku is ....Right now.Torres is awful. The fact you are even questioning how he is inferior amazes me. Words don't even need to describe how Torres in inferior because he just is. Lukaku is simply better than Lukaku. Torres is not good at anything apart from being a pain in the arse. Even if Torres hold up play is better and I think people go OTT with Lukaku's hold up play anyway, that is the only thing he is on par or better than. Everything else, Lukaku is better.Ba's hold up play is better but Lukaku has got everything else on him and is improving. Lukaku has more pace, better for counter attacks and is simply a better striker. Ba has qualities but is not suited for a top team over a whole season.Lukaku needs to work on a few things but he is much better than Torres and Ba for a fact. MrExcalibur100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Because he saw that he couldnt get a start over an inferior Ba and Torres and then Eto'o arrives. I am sure there was some humour to that anyway but regardless he has not directly said he wants to leave because Costa is here. As I was saying, the most reliable source was that he wanted to fight for his place from Steve Holland. So it is unfair for people to put words in his mouth and say he wants out simply because Costa has arrived.Actions speak louder than words, he doesn't need to say it directly that he wants to leave if he continues to act like he doesn't want to be at the club anymore and using these subtle hints is whoring himself to anyone that might be interested. Anyway, here's a quote for you:"You know Chelsea, every year they buy a new top striker. At this stage I have to look to myself. I have to play a good World Cup. That's very interesting for all the players looking for a transfer, and I must be one of them. Chelsea know my point of view." - Romelu Lukaku in June 2014Maybe he has changed his mind in the last few weeks and told Mourinho he wants to stay but those comments and the continuous rumors of his departure tell me another story. What else is Steve Holland going to say than 'we expect him to return when his holiday is over'? Do you honestly think a staff member of the club would go out and openly admit that either the player is desperate to move elsewhere or that the club is looking to sell him and is not even welcoming him back for pre-season? What good would that do in getting the best deal possible for Chelsea if everyone knew that Lukaku staying at the club is not an option? Filipe Luis returned for Atletico's pre-season but everyone knew he had his heart set on a move. Bluelsthecolour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 29, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 29, 2014 Torres is awful. The fact you are even questioning how he is inferior amazes me. Words don't even need to describe how Torres in inferior because he just is. Lukaku is simply better than Lukaku. Torres is not good at anything apart from being a pain in the arse. Even if Torres hold up play is better and I think people go OTT with Lukaku's hold up play anyway, that is the only thing he is on par or better than. Everything else, Lukaku is better.Ba's hold up play is better but Lukaku has got everything else on him and is improving. Lukaku has more pace, better for counter attacks and is simply a better striker. Ba has qualities but is not suited for a top team over a whole season.Lukaku needs to work on a few things but he is much better than Torres and Ba for a fact.Unfortunately Lukaku asked for a transfer last season so couldn't establish himself. Your refusal to blame anyone accept him is wilful ignorance of the facts we have available.Lukaku is a good goalscorer, but Costa is better. Drogba is a better target man still at 36, has a better touch than Lukaku and is still better in the air. That is all good for tactical versatility.Torres is a busted flush, but he's still technically superior to Lukaku. Lukaku is a good goalscorer, but the Premier League is littered with strikers who scored goals for mid-table teams and couldn't make it at top teams. Demba Ba is a case in point.The people who think this is a mistake simply don't understand who Jose Mourinho is or what he expects from players. God knows what they actually think Mourinho respects in his lads but their lack of ability to understand the manager of the club they say their support is both mind-numbingly strange and hilarious. Barbara, couris, Viper22 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Torres is awful. The fact you are even questioning how he is inferior amazes me. Words don't even need to describe how Torres in inferior because he just is. Lukaku is simply better than Lukaku. Torres is not good at anything apart from being a pain in the arse. Even if Torres hold up play is better and I think people go OTT with Lukaku's hold up play anyway, that is the only thing he is on par or better than. Everything else, Lukaku is better.Ba's hold up play is better but Lukaku has got everything else on him and is improving. Lukaku has more pace, better for counter attacks and is simply a better striker. Ba has qualities but is not suited for a top team over a whole season.Lukaku needs to work on a few things but he is much better than Torres and Ba for a fact.Torres and Ba are both better holdup players, not slightly, but a lot better. Lukaku for his size and strength plays like he is 5 feet tall and 150lbs. He reminds me of big man in basketball that play like shooting guards. THe CF role in Chelsea is a different dynamic, than other teams. Tell me how great Lukaku was in the world cup, on a team with better players than everton? Thats right, he was crap.I've said this for a while, Remy would be a better player (short term) for Chelsea than Lukaku will be this season. couris, Viper22, bababoom and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Unfortunately Lukaku asked for a transfer last season so couldn't establish himself. Your refusal to blame anyone accept him is wilful ignorance of the facts we have available.Lukaku is a good goalscorer, but Costa is better. Drogba is a better target man still at 36, has a better touch than Lukaku and is still better in the air. That is all good for tactical versatility.Torres is a busted flush, but he's still technically superior to Lukaku. Lukaku is a good goalscorer, but the Premier League is littered with strikers who scored goals for mid-table teams and couldn't make it at top teams. Demba Ba is a case in point.The people who think this is a mistake simply don't understand who Jose Mourinho is or what he expects from players. God knows what they actually think Mourinho respects in his lads but their lack of ability to understand the manager of the club they say their support is both mind-numbingly strange and hilarious. does it ever cross your mind ,,that you could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The only place to be 11,313 Posted July 29, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted July 29, 2014 does it ever cross your mind ,,that you could be wrongAbout what?Does it ever cross your mind to point out where I might be wrong?At the end of the day I generally trust the board and Jose. Selling Lukaku might've meant something to me 12 months ago, but he's pissed away a lot of the support he had here. Viper22, Fulham Broadway, Bir_CFC and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 About what?Does it ever cross your mind to point out where I might be wrong?At the end of the day I generally trust the board and Jose. Selling Lukaku might've meant something to me 12 months ago, but he's pissed away a lot of the support he had here.you have kept posting the same shit on here for months .. calling him a coward ,, saying he is a quitter ,,, YOU also have pissed off a lotof other good members . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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