Mario Götze

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Sorry, but that doesn't impress me. I think, in the elite exist a great number of players who are capable of that. But if i think how many players in the elite can do the trick of Isco... Well, Messi and maybe Neymar. No more.

Isco is proving his value right now. He's doing great football in a unfavorable context for his style of game.

I hope your not serious! so someone doing a trick that leads to nothing impresses you more then someone who scores a great goal in a big game?

So your basically saying you would rather have Adel Taarabt in your team then someone like Frank Lampard. Makes sense.

[lucio 5,418]

I hope your not serious! so someone doing a trick that leads to nothing impresses you more then someone who scores a great goal in a big game?

So your basically saying you would rather have Adel Taarabt in your team then someone like Frank Lampard. Makes sense.

How many other great goals in big games has he executed?

[Pacquiao 1,834]

How many other great goals in big games has he executed?

This season against Qpr and Crystal Palace. he opened the scoring in both games.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Finishing? Hmm don't think so, Isco is actually a good finisher and scores great screamers too like Oscar. Oscar misses big chances.

As for the Oscar praise.. Think it's strange how suddenly many people are over hyping Oscar while he has a bad second half of the season, again!

Oscar's stats? Yes he got assists but we are Chelsea fans and we should know how he got them, example: a failed shot and Diego scores it and it counts as an assist. Or when Cesc and Hazard outplay all the players and give the ball to Oscar and he just gives a simple pass, assist.

Based on stats, Oscar is our top 5 performer and Willian is the worse player of our team. But that's not the reality, he was our worst starting player in the last 6 months.

I just said from what I have seen. He has played LM, because of James and Marcelo's bombing forward. I think he is the Willian of Real Madrid. Does a lot, but is overshadowed by the others. I completely disagree with the fact that Oscar is a creative CAM. Whoever said that has some really big blue tinted glasses, because Oscar has never put in visionary passes like say,.. Ozil. I've seen Oscar have big chances bottled, but still I think he has a tad better finishing compared to Isco, putting screamers aside.

[quickpassnmove 924]

It's marginal, however, and you can argue either way.

However, as for the people in this thread calling Gotze shit/overrated, etc. - wow, just wow.

Wrong on both statements.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Cheers for Oscar

Cheers for Isco

wait... this is Gotze thread :confused:

[lucio 5,418]

This season against Qpr and Crystal Palace. he opened the scoring in both games.

Arguably big games . More run of the mill league games. And check out iscos goal vs porto cl last 16. And regardless Isco is better at all attributes

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Arguably big games . More run of the mill league games. And check out iscos goal vs porto cl last 16. And regardless Isco is better at all attributes

you dont watch Isco much then do you? he is a worse finisher, he plays with the top goalscorer on the planet and ony has 9 assists! Bale has 9 assists and is having a bad season and shoots a lot more then Isco! he isnt better defensivley then Oscar, or at set pieces. So i think you will find Oscar is better at more attributes then Isco.

[stroey 2,525]

I hope your not serious! so someone doing a trick that leads to nothing impresses you more then someone who scores a great goal in a big game?

So your basically saying you would rather have Adel Taarabt in your team then someone like Frank Lampard. Makes sense.

That goal was in his first season, first match? We are now almost in season 2015-16.

Isco scores these kind of goals very often, just check his goal last weekend vs Valencia.

Oscar scores in BIG GAMES?

Can you tell me his goals tally vs United, Arsenal, Pool, City, Spurs or knock out stages of CL?

Stop overhyping, you just said Oscar is as creative as Isco, big joke. Oscar can't even dream of having that vision.

Edit:

And you just said Oscar is better in the air? Based on what?

More versatile? He can't even play effectively on the wings or false 9.

Stop coming up with nonsense just to defend him.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

That goal was in his first season, first match? We are now almost in season 2015-16.

Isco scores these kind of goals very often, just check his goal last weekend vs Valencia.

Oscar scores in BIG GAMES?

Can you tell me his goals tally vs United, Arsenal, Pool, City, Spurs or knock out stages of CL?

Stop overhyping, you just said Oscar is as creative as Isco, big joke. Oscar can't even dream of having that vision.

oh dear. Isco doesnt score those goals very often actually, and i never said Oscar always scores in big games, i was talking about his goal v Juventus!

so stop overhyping isco! he is the most overrated player on here, i dont think many people watch him very often because i watch Real Madrid every week and isco is very unimpressive way too often! his vision is being so overrated on here, he is actualy very frustraing to watch because when he is in the final third instead of playing a through ball to Benzema or Ronaldo he will try to dribble and the chance is gone.

Oscar's vision and passing is criminally underrated by Chelsea fans, all because he has games where his passing is terrible, but on the whole he has very good vision and is a very good passer.

[Johnny Kills 164]

you dont watch Isco much then do you? he is a worse finisher, he plays with the top goalscorer on the planet and ony has 9 assists! Bale has 9 assists and is having a bad season and shoots a lot more then Isco! he isnt better defensivley then Oscar, or at set pieces. So i think you will find Oscar is better at more attributes then Isco.

That's the dumbest argument. Iniesta has 8 assists the last 2 seasons and he plays with Messi! How bad is Iniesta?!

Also if you want to use stats, Isco averages (per 90 mins) more key passes, created chances, higher pass %, only .25 less tackles, less tackles lost, more interceptions, more blocks, and a way higher take on %.

[bluesman2610 1,423]

And Mario Gotze scored in a World Cup final

[Pacquiao 1,834]

That's the dumbest argument. Iniesta has 8 assists the last 2 seasons and he plays with Messi! How bad is Iniesta?!

Also if you want to use stats, Isco averages (per 90 mins) more key passes, created chances, higher pass %, only .25 less tackles, less tackles lost, more interceptions, more blocks, and a way higher take on %.

Iniesta is a CM not a number 10. he doesnt play many through balls, he keeps possesion and gives it to Messi when he drops deep to get on the ball.

and those stats dont help your case as Isco is a more direct player then Oscar, makes more key passes ect and has only 1 more assist then Oscar.

[The Skipper 20,609]

no i never. Oscar is better because he is more versatile, better end product, better defensivley, just as creative and a better goalscorer.

How is Oscar more versatile and how does he have a better end product? How in the world is Oscar just as creative as Isco as well? (And don't give me stats, by that reasoning Oscar is more creative than David Silva and we know that just isn't true).

The only thing Oscar is is possibly better defensively and even then it isn't by much. He isn't a much better goalscorer either (considering Isco never gets to play in his natural position, he hasn't grabbed that many more goals than him).

[The Skipper 20,609]

Iniesta is a CM not a number 10. he doesnt play many through balls, he keeps possesion and gives it to Messi when he drops deep to get on the ball.

and those stats dont help your case as Isco is a more direct player then Oscar, makes more key passes ect and has only 1 more assist then Oscar.

If anything, Isco plays more like a CM at Real than a CAM.

Also, David Silva makes many more key passes than Oscar but has less assists so...

[JaKstone 307]

While i also think Isco is overall better than Oscar it's still funny. I can bet even if he said Oscar is better than Kagawa or Pastore there would still be people who would start moaning and bashing him Beside that people are talking like Isco is some sort of goat which in reality ain't half true.

[Johnny Kills 164]

Iniesta is a CM not a number 10. he doesnt play many through balls, he keeps possesion and gives it to Messi when he drops deep to get on the ball.

and those stats dont help your case as Isco is a more direct player then Oscar, makes more key passes ect and has only 1 more assist then Oscar.

Isco is a CM. Isn't that what you want from your #10? To create chances for others? Thank you for completely ignoring the defensive stats too.

[The Mak 4,459]

[ulvhedin 526]

Let the GIF-battle begin

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[Pacquiao 1,834]

How is Oscar more versatile and how does he have a better end product? How in the world is Oscar just as creative as Isco as well? (And don't give me stats, by that reasoning Oscar is more creative than David Silva and we know that just isn't true).

The only thing Oscar is is possibly better defensively and even then it isn't by much. He isn't a much better goalscorer either (considering Isco never gets to play in his natural position, he hasn't grabbed that many more goals than him).

Oscar can play in more positions and is more tactically versatile, Oscar can do man marking jobs on DLP like Pirlo and Gerrard.

Average Assists per Game

Oscar - 0.29

Isco - 0.26

Silva - 0.23

Gotze - 0.06

and Oscar plays in the lowest scoring team from that list.

but yeah Oscar isnt creative.