Thibaut Courtois

[SykikJV 146]

As it has been stated before me. The truth is Cech will be gone next season. The only way to make Courtois world class is to stick with him despite some errors. Valdes is judged to be high quality despite considerable flaws. The same with Neuer and alot of his stupid decisions.

You don't just become world class, you stay it by support of your fans/coach etc.

You can only become better when you make mistakes. So if you replace a player whenever they make a single mistake they loose confidence and you will go nowhere.

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This wasn't even a shocking mistake. Adams execution was absolutely perfect. Courtois' position wasn't bad either, anticipating through-balls from Stoke.

There's a big difference between making a shocking mistake and situations where maybe you should do better next time. For me, this wasn't a real mistake from Courtois, but together with the staff they will try to handle these situations better in the future. Maybe he should take a step back sooner when Stoke got the ball. It's up to the technical staff to analyse what is more important : anticipating long/through-balls or anticipating these kind of shots.

Dropping Courtois because of this goal would be a shame, it's nothing more then an opportunity to make him even better then he already is.

[Special Juan 27,429]

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This wasn't even a shocking mistake. Adams execution was absolutely perfect. Courtois' position wasn't bad either, anticipating through-balls from Stoke.

There's a big difference between making a shocking mistake and situations where maybe you should do better next time. For me, this wasn't a real mistake from Courtois, but together with the staff they will try to handle these situations better in the future. Maybe he should take a step back sooner when Stoke got the ball. It's up to the technical staff to analyse what is more important : anticipating long/through-balls or anticipating these kind of shots.

Dropping Courtois because of this goal would be a shame, it's nothing more then an opportunity to make him even better then he already is.

Tibo's positioning was bad, if it hadn't been he would of saved it, it's that simple. Also, if his starting position is different then I bet my bottom dollar Adam does not take that shot on, because it's not actually on, to do so. Tibo could of dropped 5 yards back and still had a great starting position to anticipate a Stoke through ball, he didn't and we saw the outcome. This was a basic error on the part of our goalkeeper and he should not be dropped, but learn from it.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

Tibo's positioning was bad, if it hadn't been he would of saved it, it's that simple. Also, if his starting position is different then I bet my bottom dollar Adam does not take that shot on, because it's not actually on, to do so. Tibo could of dropped 5 yards back and still had a great starting position to anticipate a Stoke through ball, he didn't and we saw the outcome. This was a basic error on the part of our goalkeeper and he should not be dropped, but learn from it.

Other goalkeepers say that his positioning was good, so I rather say unlucky. Adam has tried this shot more than a hundred times in his career, Carragher says. It is the first time he scored that way.

[Oscar 441]

Both atletico and belgium's defensive tactics helps thibo look better, but he's still in the second tier of gks in my opinion.

First tier being neur by himself. Having said that Thibo is the present and the future and should stay like that.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

Both atletico and belgium's defensive tactics helps thibo look better, but he's still in the second tier of gks in my opinion.

First tier being neur by himself. Having said that Thibo is the present and the future and should stay like that.

Lol, it is MUCH MUCH easier to look good with a shitty defense. De Gea wouldn't be rated that high if United had a good defense.

[Laugh1ngMan 393]

Tibo's positioning was bad, if it hadn't been he would of saved it, it's that simple. Also, if his starting position is different then I bet my bottom dollar Adam does not take that shot on, because it's not actually on, to do so. Tibo could of dropped 5 yards back and still had a great starting position to anticipate a Stoke through ball, he didn't and we saw the outcome. This was a basic error on the part of our goalkeeper and he should not be dropped, but learn from it.

But the position he takes up in a situation where we are playing a high line is something that he surely has been told to do by one of the coaches, no? It wasn't the first time he has been that far out of goal and he continued to do it afterwards so if Mou has a problem with it, he would have adressed it sooner i imagine.

And Mourinho's comments afterwards were about the fact that he didn't read the situation well and didn't have the right reaction, not so much about the position he took up if i remember correctly

[Special Juan 27,429]

But the position he takes up in a situation where we are playing a high line is something that he surely has been told to do by one of the coaches, no? It wasn't the first time he has been that far out of goal and he continued to do it afterwards so if Mou has a problem with it, he would have adressed it sooner i imagine.

And Mourinho's comments afterwards were about the fact that he didn't read the situation well and didn't have the right reaction, not so much about the position he took up if i remember correctly

It only takes one time and we have seen the result, a goal!! I will say this and stand by it.....Adam was allowed to shoot because Tibo's positioning allowed him to do so, Adam said afterwards he had seen him do this before where he was a long way off his line. When I speak with the young goalkeepers I teach, we constantly speak about positions, starting positions and how we must always be aware of the unexpected. Obviously this is junior football but the amount of time I see keepers on the other team been beaten from miles out is crazy, and it all comes down to there starting position. Not once this season my keepers have beaten by a pot shot from miles out, because their starting position is always right. If the starting position is right you won't be beaten from there.

Please don't think I am vilifying Tibo here because I am not, he's been incredible for us but for me he got it wrong here and we got punished by Adam for it. It's all part of learning, and he is still learning despite being one of the best, and I bet good money it's been looked in the coming days.

[SykikJV 146]

Tibo's positioning was bad, if it hadn't been he would of saved it, it's that simple. Also, if his starting position is different then I bet my bottom dollar Adam does not take that shot on, because it's not actually on, to do so. Tibo could of dropped 5 yards back and still had a great starting position to anticipate a Stoke through ball, he didn't and we saw the outcome. This was a basic error on the part of our goalkeeper and he should not be dropped, but learn from it.

I think you're wrong on that one :

Charlie Adams' long range efforts since 10/'11 (green = on target)

Jamie Carragher stated that Adam tried it all the time at Liverpool, even when the goalkeeper was almost standing on his line.

[SykikJV 146]

It only takes one time and we have seen the result, a goal!! I will say this and stand by it.....Adam was allowed to shoot because Tibo's positioning allowed him to do so, Adam said afterwards he had seen him do this before where he was a long way off his line. When I speak with the young goalkeepers I teach, we constantly speak about positions, starting positions and how we must always be aware of the unexpected. Obviously this is junior football but the amount of time I see keepers on the other team been beaten from miles out is crazy, and it all comes down to there starting position. Not once this season my keepers have beaten by a pot shot from miles out, because their starting position is always right. If the starting position is right you won't be beaten from there.

Please don't think I am vilifying Tibo here because I am not, he's been incredible for us but for me he got it wrong here and we got punished by Adam for it. It's all part of learning, and he is still learning despite being one of the best, and I bet good money it's been looked in the coming days.

Like I said, an opportunity for the technical staff to make TC even better. If TC has been too long off his line too much in previous games, surely the coaches would have pointed this out to him already. So I dare to say that his position was right 5 seconds before Adam's shot, but he could/should have repositioned sooner when Hazard lost the ball.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

Imo, a long range shot like that is good for the opposition. It takes the possibility away of a dangerous counter and 99% of the time it causes nothing. I would teach my goalkeepers to stand there, also very helpful with long range passes, etc.

[Laugh1ngMan 393]

It only takes one time and we have seen the result, a goal!! I will say this and stand by it.....Adam was allowed to shoot because Tibo's positioning allowed him to do so, Adam said afterwards he had seen him do this before where he was a long way off his line. When I speak with the young goalkeepers I teach, we constantly speak about positions, starting positions and how we must always be aware of the unexpected. Obviously this is junior football but the amount of time I see keepers on the other team been beaten from miles out is crazy, and it all comes down to there starting position. Not once this season my keepers have beaten by a pot shot from miles out, because their starting position is always right. If the starting position is right you won't be beaten from there.

Please don't think I am vilifying Tibo here because I am not, he's been incredible for us but for me he got it wrong here and we got punished by Adam for it. It's all part of learning, and he is still learning despite being one of the best, and I bet good money it's been looked in the coming days.

No, i don't think you are trying to bash Thibaut or anything.

When a keeper gets beat from 66 yards he definetly could do something better. I'm just interested in what that is.

Therefore I question your argument that it is down to his positioning since i would imagine it is the position he is told to take up by his coaches. To me it's more down to his late reaction that Adam is gonna shoot in the first place (since he has a reputation in doing so) and second, the way he reacts when he realizes it is a dangerous ball. Since he got a hand to it, he probably would have saved it if he was more alert.

You can definetly question the position of Thibaut but i hardly think that is solely down to himself. I don't like it myself either when the goalkeeper is that far out but imo it has alot to do with our slow CB's which is another reason to start Zouma / get someone faster in the Summer

[Atholy 1,293]

are you sure these are not his training stats ???

Well at least I'm happy for him finally he managed to score a long range shot after all the effort he putted in trying

[Atholy 1,293]

Well IMO a GK is always to blame for such a long shot that finds it way to the net.... that's kind of obvious.

BUT he was beaten because he was ready to help his defense.

I rather have a GK that is beaten on that 1 long shot (that happens once in like 4 seasons) than a GK that lets down his defense 62 times a season because he's glued to his line and not helping clearing counter attacks!!!

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Its never his fault, is it? At Hull it was Ivanovic, when Silva lobbed him with a header from 13 yards he could do nothing, and now he apparently did his best. Also he gifted City their goal in that 1-1 draw.

I praised him when he was exceptional like against Liverpool or PSG away but also don't think he's any better than Cech atm. Only reason he is playing has already been repeated enough.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Its never his fault, is it? At Hull it was Ivanovic, when Silva lobbed him with a header from 13 yards he could do nothing, and now he apparently did his best. Also he gifted City their goal in that 1-1 draw.

I praised him when he was exceptional like against Liverpool or PSG away but also don't think he's any better than Cech atm. Only reason he is playing has already been repeated enough.

He's clearly at fault to some degree in those moments you mentioned, thing is those errors aren't nearly big enough for him to lose his spot.

How about you sum up the countless moments he won us the game?

The level he's playing at for a 22yo GK is very very rare. Cut him some slack instead of crying for Cech when he makes an error.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I praised him when he was exceptional like against Liverpool or PSG away but also don't think he's any better than Cech atm. Only reason he is playing has already been repeated enough.

Enlight me what's the reason.

Mourinho currently plays things as conservatively as it is possible, he doesn't want to risk at all, only hides in his comfort zone. That's why he plays Cahill over Zouma, doesn't drop Ivanovic, doesn't rotate Matic, Fabregas or Oscar despite all three of them being clearly off form for months, supposedly protects RLC and doesn't give youth even a spot on the bench ... And yet Courtois is part of his comfort zone IN THE PRESENT TIME.

[Milan 17,854]

Fantastic reflexive save when it was 0-0. He saved our asses yet again.

[LAM09 6,751]

He might have made a few mistakes here and there, but he's been vital for us.