The Big Drog 1,110 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 AVB definitely isn't helping himself. I do not want him sacked, because I feel if he is given time to stamp his own style on the team then we could have some long-term success as a result of our short-term mediocrity. However he needs to start mashing things up during games, because we are becoming a very one-dimensional team with a single style of play that is becoming easy to defend against.It's been that way for years, we haven't had variety in our play since Mourinho. The squad was only ever built to play one way, once that fails we crumble so easily. One of the reasons for the AVB appointment is that he is seen as a progressive, attacking coach, I genuinely believe, given the time and money, he can bring a fluid, attacking style to Chelsea, a change that is long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 It's been that way for years, we haven't had variety in our play since Mourinho. Id argue that Carlos double winning team mixed things up and played better football than any of Joses sides, in the second half of the season anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack17 205 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 January transfer is the final chance to save his career in Chelsea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Id argue that Carlos double winning team mixed things up and played better football than any of Joses sides, in the second half of the season anywayTbh I don't think Ancelotti's team did have much variety in it. Im not saying that the one style of play we utilised under Ancelotti wasn't more attractive on the eye than Mourinho's, Im simply saying that Mourinho's squad offered him a greater variety in the play, not a more attractive style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Well obviously André Villas-Boas has to take his share of criticism. He isn't innocent for the situation we're in.The first thing we can criticize him for - which is clearly his biggest mistake - is his poor squad assessment and summer mercato. He was very naive to think the squad we had back then was good enough, to quote him, to compete for the four trophies. This mistake is clear as crystal, even him did recognize this by banning Alex and Anelka - two players who should have go in the summer - from the team, and by out-casting Kalou and Malouda. He didn't realize soon enough that some players were like cancer, and he failed to find a plan B to Modric. Here lies his first mistake.His second one, is that he doesn't impose him-self well enough, to my taste. He should be rougher with under-performing players. He should put them in the stand and play youngsters instead of them, just to make 'em understand they aren't permit to make what they want.And finally, I hope he stops with his "the team is good enough to play in four competitions", "our squad has immense talents", etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I like how you have managed to look only at the positives and have closed your eyes entirely to the negatives. Remember how comprehensively we were beaten by Inter Milan? How about the drubbing against Wigan at the DW? Then in his second season it all went downhill fast, remember that series of games against Man Utd? Horrific. I feel that was due to a lack of creativity at the time, and the absence of Cole+Essien, and the two apes Lucio and Samuels trying to latch onto Drogba....It was one of the few blemishes in his first season with us....but the second season was downright terrible during Nov-Jan months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I feel that was due to a lack of creativity at the time, and the absence of Cole+Essien, and the two apes Lucio and Samuels trying to latch onto Drogba....It was one of the few blemishes in his first season with us....but the second season was downright terrible during Nov-Jan months...A lack of creativity did hinder us in that game, but Mourinho knew it would, Mourinho also knew that practically everything good we did went through Drogba so he had him man marked very well by a world class Lucio and a world class Samuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Abramovich 175 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Well obviously André Villas-Boas has to take his share of criticism. He isn't innocent for the situation we're in.The first thing we can criticize him for - which is clearly his biggest mistake - is his poor squad assessment and summer mercato. He was very naive to think the squad we had back then was good enough, to quote him, to compete for the four trophies. This mistake is clear as crystal, even him did recognize this by banning Alex and Anelka - two players who should have go in the summer - from the team, and by out-casting Kalou and Malouda. He didn't realize soon enough that some players were like cancer, and he failed to find a plan B to Modric. Here lies his first mistake.His second one, is that he doesn't impose him-self well enough, to my taste. He should be rougher with under-performing players. He should put them in the stand and play youngsters instead of them, just to make 'em understand they aren't permit to make what they want.And finally, I hope he stops with his "the team is good enough to play in four competitions", "our squad has immense talents", etc...He can't exactly say "This team is shit and we will accomplish nothing" can he?I find it funny that we all think we can manage the team and recognize its flaws better than a European champion and a man who watches them train everyday. He sees the problems and will fix them given enough time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 He can't exactly say "This team is shit and we will accomplish nothing" can he?But there's a middle step between saying "we are good enough to win every thing" and "we are shit and we won't win anything", don't you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Abramovich 175 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 But there's a middle step between saying "we are good enough to win every thing" and "we are shit and we won't win anything", don't you think ?We good enough to win everything when the team gives a shit but we need them to play to their ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 We've lost 5 games... halfway through the season also, shocking. the points we had now are only a little bit more of the points we had after 10 games 2 seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Pardon me for my french, and pardon me if I look condescending, but many of us here are too narrow minded and don't look at the big picture. A football club is a system where many things interact with each other. It isn't all due to the manager, or to the player. And there's an entity we are forgetting in this system, this is the board.As things stand today, the biggest culprit - and by far - for our lamentable state of form is Gourlay and co, or whatever their names, the people who are running our transfers for the four previous years. This isn't André's fault, nor Ancelotti's, nor Lampard's if our midfield is one of the most negative of the Premier League. No, it is the fault of the yes-men in Armani suit who have only bought defensive midfielders and didn't think it was necessary to bring a playmaker. It is them who have though for many years that a striker can play just as well on the wings. It is them who have been pleased with those overpaid deadwoods who do not give a shit.If we are in deep shit nowadays, this is because we are run by business-men more interested by organizing some tournament in Asia than buy the right players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 We good enough to win everything when the team gives a shit but we need them to play to their ability.No, we are not. A team which possess : Strikers who can't score for their live ; A right back who can neither attack nor defend ; A midfield with zero creativity in it, nor technical players ; No wide men.... Can't win shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 agree with most of your points . Also failed to recognise a squad needs to be constantly refreshed . We had 3 years without bringing in anyonenew, Perhaps it was felt players would step up from the academy but that just didn't happen . The continuing failure of that department bringsinto question the standard of coaching they receive there.Now it isn't so much a transition but a radical rebuild that is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Abramovich 175 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 No, we are not. A team which possess : Strikers who can't score for their live ; A right back who can neither attack nor defend ; A midfield with zero creativity in it, nor technical players ; No wide men.... Can't win shit.I'm not happy with the squad either but we have shown that we can play when we have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 No, we are not. A team which possess : Strikers who can't score for their live ; A right back who can neither attack nor defend ; A midfield with zero creativity in it, nor technical players ; No wide men.... Can't win shit.Sloppy defending, A left back that seems to be declining, unbalanced midfield, etcTotally agree with you mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldo 868 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Like Tomo said, we should have began rebuilding after that CL final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 If i'm honest, i reckon this awful season could be a good thing in the long run because this hasn't happened to him before. He will learn a hell of a lot from this and if he can get through it and come out the other side, even if it takes a few years, he'll be a much better manager for it. Managers need this for their own experience at times so when or if it happens again, he knows how to deal with it so at least it's came early in his career.I am very unhappy at the way we are, the tempo, the desire, the quality, the form, the performances, the passing speed, the passion and what seems a huge lack of motivation (All of them a lack of btw), the list could go on even more but we have to just try and show him our support because he must be feeling it a bit.This run hopefully has shown him that there is a lot of shit in this squad and in the summer, not now because you can't really overhaul a squad in January but in the summer, changes will be made, players will come and players will go.Now we just need to stick with the players and AVB and help guide them into the top 4. It's not gonna be easy but they need our support and we need to somehow stay positive for them even if we're pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm not happy with the squad either but we have shown that we can play when we have to.for 60 to 100 thousand a week THEY HAVE TO play ALL the fucking time not when they feel like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I'm not happy with the squad either but we have shown that we can play when we have to.I am afraid that this is the same situation than when Blackburn wins against United... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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