Ronaldo

I will argue with that. Winning with Porto was an incredible achievement even if was in a very poor CL year. After that, his achievements have been much more mpdest and overall, he has done no better than should have been expected. He won with Chelsea with a team that out-spent everyone else in the Premier League about 10-1. He inherited a team that finished second and got to the semi-finals of the CL and had already players like Lampard, Terry, Gudjohnssson, Makalele, etc..He wasn't taking the 1987 Chelsea side to the promised land, he was taking the deepest, probably the most talented, and by far the most expensive squad there. Mourinho's performance at Chelsea was about what should have been expected. In 4 years, we won 2 Premier League titles, a few domestic Cups, and didn't get past the semi-finals in the CL. We got worse every year under Mourinho so by the time he got fired, we were playing awfully despite having an insanely expensive and talented side. People want to think of Mourinho getting fired as a clash of cultures, but it was mostly due to the team sucking under him at the end. We were significantly better under Avram Grant than we were under Mourinho's last while and Grant did nothing. This was not like RDM or AVb where we were losing to worse teams with imbalanced squads, this was a a squad that was losing to poorer teams with a bevy of world-class players like Makalele, Carvalho, Lampard, Terry, Cech, Essien, and Cole most of whom were at their peaks.
At Inter, the squad had won three straight Seria A titles before Mourinho got there so calling them mediocre is patently ridiculous. Like at Chelsea (and even at Porto), Mourinho was once again coaching for the biggest spending team in the league. The CL win has excellent, but it was not shocking. They were won of the best teams in Europe. At Madrid, his reign was an abject failure. Despite being once again, in charge of the highest spending club, Madrid only won 3 trophies in 3 years, only one of which was a major trophy, which is the worst haul in the history of the club for a manager who has been there that long. Post-Porto, he has managed top European clubs for 9 years and made and won 1 CL. That's not remarkable, it's actually not particularly good. If you gave a random manager 9 years with the squads Mourinho had at Chelsea, Inter, and Madrid, you'd still expect more European success. If he comes back to Chelsea, he will once again be coming back to what will likely be the highest spending club in the league. Yes, he'll likely have success, but like everywhere post-Porto, that success is based enormously on him choosing a team where success is almost inevitable.
He's a fine manager, but the regard that many Chelsea fans for him is so insanely over-inflated based on what he's actually accomplished. People also forget the negatives and there are negatives. The boring football (and this is not Greece at the Euros, this is taking the most talented team in the world and making them play super-defensively), the ego circus, the sore losing, etc...I just don't get the obsession or the desire to go back there.

Great save yes, but what an horrific finish from Ozil!
He played brilliantly well yesterday, you have to give it to him. I'm not quite sure how Real didn't win the game after hitting the woodwork three times. Football is a funny game, isn't it? Courtois had to make one or two big saves and he did very well. One or two rush-of-blood-to-the-head moments but generally a good performance, well played!

if we play him as a RW, he will be really fast on the bench. lacks pace and speed for RW position. and also isnt a big dribbler neither. de bruyne as a RW is a complete waste
schweinstiger was mostly mediocre as a RW...in the centre he is 100 times better.

Oscar plays out of position every game, and has hardly had a break the past 12 months, hard to just say KDB is better than him.

thats not ture. perez DID want to get a real coach. mourniho was first manager after a lot of years who bought players HE WANTED. also perez sacked valdano, because mourinho wanted full control. perez ALWAYS backed mourinho, also di stefano, zidane butragueno etc..he had the full backing of the staff of madrid. in the end, he destroyed his reputation by himself- he nearly fell off with half of the squad, said bs things about iker casillas (like adan is better than casillas. would be the same as saying ake is better than lampard) etc. also he hed battles with the press (even though he was right) and in the end, he failed to build a system with good fotball. madird are a pure counter-attacking team. thats it. also he had the FULL support of the fans...they always sang "jose mourinho" in the stadium until the casillas accident, which i think, was the cherry on the cake to make him leave.

Inter was not average....Cambiasso, Lucio, Maicon, Samuel, Cesar, Sneijder, Milito, Eto'o, Zanetti,...hardly average players.

Would it be fair to say that as of now, Mourinho needs Chelsea more than Chelsea needs Mourinho?

the only part of Jose I don't. Like is how he deals with the media and refrees. He's disrespectful and treats them like they are not humans, especially referees. Also wish he wasn't an attention whore.

Yeah like AVB, he fucked up and he has improve.
To be fair, I would love to have AVB back more then Mourinho. Because for the team we are building that is where AVB is greater then Mourinho.
It was just a pity that the Chelsea job came too early for him. He needed more experience, like Mourinho has experience with different clubs, and especially at Madrid.
Mourinho will learn a lot about the Madrid experience, as AVB learned about his Chelsea time.

Spoke to a friend in Madrid, long-time, multi-generational RM supporter. His viewpoint which he feels is shared by many RM supporters is that this team has taken on the negative characteristics of their manager and they don't like it. Drama with the manager and press, manager and players, players and players. Winning and trophies hides the ugliness. Losing and no trophies exposes it and RM supporters feel he's chipped away at the dignity of the RM institution, made it more about Jose, and less about RM. The club in Spain is bigger than player or manager and Jose hasn't respected that. He said Spanish football has a lot of drama, real and fake, but Jose has taken RM to soap opera status. Many feel he has out stayed his welcome and feel CFC fans will feel the same in a few years. He said "a little of Jose goes a long way".

Ahhhh... Why start ozil at wing and bench do Maria....

This reminds me of Holland vs Portugal in 2006.

Like drogba.

It be weird.
He plays as the cam on Brazil, yet plays as the back 2 for Chelsea?

Or we could send our loanees to the US and play, since they can probably field a whole team.

I do give up on you. I hope you enjoy the 'soccer'.

Well google translate being shit isn't something new, sorry

WE HAVE TO PLAY 4-3-3!
Top priorities are a Striker and a RW. Then it comes a CM and lastly a CB...
We dont need a DM until we try Chalobah and Romeu there!

Get in!!!
That was a proper smash and grab lol we were finding it difficult to string 3 passes together at times.
Luiz and Ramires were astonishingly poor! Luiz is not a midfielder for fucks sake he is a defender and a great one at that. Hope Jose/the next manager realises this.
Anyway the biggest problem is the pivot. In most games we simply can't get a hold of things because there is no balance in any way shape or form
Torres was very good! Had a few great runs down the middle, similar to his goal. We were rubbish going forward so can't blame that on him because there was simply no channel from defence to attack. Held the ball up ok for someone who's not suited for that tactic. His whining may annoy at times, but you can see that it does sway refs to give more fouls in our favour which was badly needed yesterday considering the ref wasn't giving anything to us at all.
BRAN YOU LEGEND WHAT A HEADER!! BEAST!!!
Also, Jorge Jesus can SUCK IT. Fucking arrogant bitter scum

That's something i really "hate" about us. We never do any 'deals'. We could of bought vertonghen and Dembele for 24? M pound. Everyone who has seen them play before going to the spurs knew they are (almost) on a world class level. With those 2 signings we would be playing for the titel in my opinion.

Robben= NO

I don't want him as a cm against European teams.

Javi Martinez and bastian will be licking their lips in the supercup if they see lampard and Mikel...

Going to be honest, not been impressed with him in the last few games. Sure he broke the record and congrats for that but his general play has been quite poor. Slowed a few attacks down tonight, eventually ended up going backwards due to Benfica recovering and that.

Perfect way to end his career here. He can go get his big paycheck in America/China now, and we can bring de bruyne back from his loan and get a true pivot player to make that role their own.