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“Play out form the back” with fucking zouma really? 😆 guy can’t even run right much less pass the football. How nice of Lampard... way too honest! Instead, should have told luiz he was an important player for him. Then slowly phase him out. Fuck luiz! Let him go by Jan... Heh frank has every right to prefer a diff type of player. However, leaving us only with zouma, who also does not fit his playing style (Luiz is twice the passer tho), is specifically what I disagree with. Seemed like yet another rookie mistake.

Age MAY not be that important, but experience is extremely important especially in defense. PL experience is also well-priced. I honestly can believe I am here making this point. Evidence? See every other club starting xi. Way too early to discuss who’s who in the season tho. with azpi, https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/durchschnittsalter/wettbewerb/GB1 the ironic thing here is that folks may think I’m against the youth when in fact I want to enable them to be successful.

Exactly! Do a bit better in 1v1s which is easier said than done, will help very little esp against stronger opposition. good wingers/forwards will always have the edge if they can isolate defenders however good they may be. That’s why managers keep the lines compact. even in the goal we conceded, azpi was all alone without any cover or help near him at the end of the game defending a lead at that! That’s just a no-no and is happening way too often. finally, given our situation and the number of inexperienced players in the squad, it does not matter if a 19yo can slightly improve 1v1s. We cannot afford to lose azpi’s experience at this time. He is the key player to help us getting this shit together.

Sounds about right. Sheffield was indeed bizarre... perhaps a hint of arrogance ignoring what was happening on the pitch? You are right. Maybe I really meant a long forced transition which includes overusing youngsters from the academy. I’ve actually seen it before and did not work very well then. there is a reason top clubs don’t rely as much in their academies for the starting xi.

That’d be a perfectly acceptable outcome, but some of us are worried about a very different one. I’ve been through a few of these so called transitions, it usually means someone fucked up. That is because the best clubs have no rebuilding, just a constant organic and Gradual replacement of the players who are past with new talented ones. whether they come from the academy or elsewhere matters little, perhaps only for NT supporters. thats by far the best way to develop youth imo. Barca is probably the best club at this transition. You can’t build a winning mentality by losing and struggling. No one will be happy if we are losing games over and over again. Young players will start questioning their abilities (and managers) and lose confidence, far more than established players. Winning is very important esp for younger players. That’s why the best way to do this is slowly and with established role models who they can learn from. Speaking of greed, Cho is yet to sign a contract and he is the closest thing, potential wise, to a Neymar (a few years away and still unlikely to me). I understand folks want the nice guy, the cool kid, but football is about winning and for that you need a good order of both grit and talent. The latter is especially difficult to find or produce, which is why it is so expensive. a more realistic outcome is that half of these youngsters will not cut it. Once the window reopens for us they have to be at least as good as the ones we can afford for their positions. Otherwise they will either go (sold/loan) or be used as squad players, which is fine of course. I guess nothing more to do other than watch and support the team now. And hope the outcome is more like what you described.

Fair enoug. I’m not going to pretend to know for sure if his poor performances are entirely down to lack of help, because I don’t know. What I do know is that there are too many variables right now, most of which are caused by employing too many inexperienced players at once (pulisic included), not to mention the inexperienced manager. I see the game, in particular defending, in layers: a guy gets beaten, but he does just enough for the next layer (cover) to sweep it (regain possession). I’m not seeing enough of that first challenge and then followed by the cover right now. I think our defending is broken in a more fundamental way than a struggling rb. I wish it were as easy as azpi struggling, but I don’t really think it is. The youth will often escape criticism, as it should be, but to not see the naive game Tomori had (even if guy has loads of potential) that is just denial imo.

Reckon you put too much trust in external communications. Player and agent will never write something that will put them at odds with the supporters. we don’t know what was going on behind the scenes. Perhaps the club was telling him, "sign a new deal and you will get playing time." Who knows? Again the problem is that by then, with Bayern interest, the club had little leverage because he no longer needed to play to attract buyers.

That’s speculation. The evidence we have is that the playing time mattered less than folks here make it out to be.

That’s not he point, is it? It’s about letting klutz luiz leave in the situation we are in. You are fine with it, and I’m not. I think it was yet another, of many, mistakes by lamps and his aides so far. Sure if he does not trust luiz as a cb, can certainly relate, get someone better as soon as you have an opportunity. That decision left us with zouma.

Enjoy your zouma buddy btw, just watched the game. Luiz was good against spurs. The “clanger” you mean the bad positioning for the first goal, that left sun still facing 4 other arsenal players who still couldn’t stop the play? That’s a team mistake in my book.

Yes I absolutely am. Regarding why, perhaps I wasn’t clear in my opinion. Probably my own fault. i absolutely believe they are all letting the team down and azpi is struggling because of them, not the other way around. Had he had senior players, ready players (not prospects) around and in front of him, his life would’ve been much easier. the mistakes youngsters make all the time are 100% ignored here. When Tammy shows too much of the football and is easily dispossessed it is ok because he’s young and scores. Azpi was playing alongside a very green cb next to him for crying out lot! things are just a bit more nuanced in team sports. Passing the ball is all about the opposition too! We don’t know what James will do in the PL yet do we? My point remains the last thing this teams needs right now is yet another 19yo especially replacing the captain and the only defender who can read the game atm. in short, replacing azpi at this time has to the the craziest thing I’ve heard. stats are also nuanced. Is he being dispossessed because he suddenly can’t pass, or because he has no clear targets working close to him and moving into empty spaces to pass to? he actually made a brilliant play assisting Tammy in last game.

Learned that Azpi's fault yesterday was allowing that one decent cross in our box. Of course that led to a goal, because well they always do. The fact wingers go 1x1 with him constantly, because our beloved youngsters cannot string two passes together to keep possession is not talked about. The brilliant solution here is to, yes! just add another youngster to the starting XI! I mean if one of the best defenders in the league is not working momentarily, well because the rest of the team is clueless, let's replace him for someone we never seen play a PL match before. That makes total sense! I mean we play, and especially defend, like a championship team, so it makes sense to bring on yet another championship player. Chelsea now is the place where we can watch promising youngsters before they actually learn how to play! There might be a way to monetize this.

Willian offers one thing, which is work rate, which helps defending and occasionally attacking as welll (with pressing). right now either his injury was worse than I thought or he’s just not running for the manager. He’s not helping at all.

Never said he was(the best defender). we are missing experience as controlling the game. Two things luiz actually has in abundance. Especially considering how young the squad is. every time zouma kicks the ball up field, it just goes back to the opposition and here they are again in our face. Imagine deploying luiz in the middle or as a third cb today in the second half? I can certainly imagine he’d be able to help out. I think we are overly nice to players who force their exit.

Kante yes, once fit. cho, despite his young age had a pretty decent work rate, but then there is the contract situation. Will he risk picking up an injury without a contract? RLC is a long shot given how serious it was. Not even sure he will be able to contribute this season. dont think this is an overreaction. This was the worst opposition we are going to face and at home.

Of course we should have kept luiz. That’s the obvious part even if I don’t rate luiz as a defender. Again, my point is that while rudiger or luiz would improve things, the defending is poor all around especially in attack and wings. Young players do not defend well. They are not even physical enough to win 50/50s consistently enough to help us withstand pressure.

The attack does not hold the football and does not win 50/50s. The wingers don’t defend well enough. The mid gets overwhelm and so does the defense. the fact we have no passer in the back line makes things worse as the ball goes right back to the opposition. Esp when Zouma kicks it up field. rudiger will not fix this.

Sorry but that’s naive. Once again check luiz’ stats for us. Not to mention his silverware. it’s fine to diss players who leave, esp the ones who force their exit, but he’d definitely improve this shit show of a back line. He’s just as physical as zouma, but twice the footballer, as in he can actually play football. And then there is experience, but I guess folks here are in denial regarding that. Just can’t see the silver lining of losing luiz without a proper replacement with the same level of experience especially for the back and especially considering how many youngsters are being used.

Nothing lampard does makes any sense to me, but will give him the benefit of he doubt given his experience and success. Though dont quite understand what he’s trying to implement. Is it direct style? Assume so, because he does not seem to value passing from the back. He tries high press but players can’t keep possession as he employs inexperienced players with a more direct style up front as well. Only 2 mids are good consistent passers. so the result is that we high press for a little while, manage to score (so far) and then concede for lack of possession. While the back line isn’t great, our inability to keep possession and being bullied by weak opposition will always be a problem to any back line. The pressure will be difficult to handle for long periods of time.

Can only Fix that if he can play.

A team full of youngsters would guarantee we’d be fighting for relegation. I think once rudiger and kante are fit and playing regularly, it won’t happen, but some folks here are dreaming.

Bullied again in the second half. It will happen with youngsters, even tammy, despite his height and good finishing, can’t keep the ball up. It’s just normal for young players to lose 50/50 against senior heavier players. Tomori looks like a very good footballer. Won’t discuss the other one.

Right and I will make that very popular point again. I think it is risky to play him without a contract. And that’s for 2 reasons: 1. Until Jan, he cannot sign with another club, so picking up an injury until then could be disastrous to his career regardless of any insurance. So, I’m not sure we can expect 100% from him until then. And after that, his head will be elsewhere. And as a reminder, he is coming from a serious injury. 2. Given a player in this situation, why should we develop him at such a young age and inconsistency, just to lose him before he will become the final product? Give minutes to someone else. in short, he must sign to play. I truly hope he does, even with the reported figures, but only then.

Except Naples in uefa, but Yeah matic rejoined Jan 14, so while David helped in a few games before, Jose was not a fan o mikel (can certainly relate), he only got comfortable along with matic. the impressive thing though is the fact he never really switched to a midfielder on a diff training schedule. I noticed that he played quite a bit as a cb too. He looked far more consistent as a midfielder tho. He had more poor games as a cb based on stats alone. if memory serves, Luiz himself wanted to play as a cb, and refused switching to cm when offered. The current Brazil manager Tite, while managing corinthians (who beat us at wcc), was a big fan of Luiz in midfield. And apparently not as much as a cb.

Only starts as DMC or MC rates from who scored: —12/13 season 12/23/2012 Chelsea 8 x 0 Villa (MotM 9.0) 12/26/2012 Norwitch 0 x 1 Chelsea (6.95) 12/30/2012 Everton 1 x 2 Chelsea (7.4) 01/2/2013 Chelsea 0 x 1 QPR 6.77 above lamps) 01/09/2013 Chelsea 4 x 1 Wigan (8.4 2nd highest) 04/13/2013 Chelsea 2 x 0 Swansea (8.8 MotM) UEFA, MoTM 4–1 naples —13/14 season 12/29/2013 Chelsea 2 x 1 liverpool (6.54) 01/11/2014 Hull 0 x 2 Chelsea (8.9 MotM) 01/19/2014 Chelsea 3 x 1 United (7.07) 02/03/2014 Man City 0 x 1 Chelsea (7.7) 03/22/2014 Chelsea 6 x 0 Arsenal (7.94) I stopped looking here, so there might be more games.