OneMoSalah
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The arguments for and against selling Jorginho to Juventus
OneMoSalah replied to James's topic in Chelsea Articles
"golden opportunity to cut our loses and get a big fee for a player who looks very unlikely at this stage to live up to his price tag" Did this guy watch the first 10 games and the last 15 games? Fuck me... oh wait it gets better. If it were a HG player who played as well as Jorginho in those 25 games would there be any doubts? The guy probably had the most frustrating role in the team for the first half of the season because there was no midfield rotation, he was constantly man marked and nobody else would drop in to help him out either like we started to see with the likes of Barkley, Kovacic and Kante after a while 😂 "or even fit into the tactical schemes most managers would have in this circumstance." Yeah sure the most successful and arguably innovative and maybe one of the most tactically flexible managers in terms of systems of the last 10-14 years (Pep) desperately wanted him although Jorginho struggles to fit into "tactical schemes most managers would have in this circumstance"..... also despite the fact he has been one of the first players on the teamsheet with Napoli, Chelsea and the Italian NT recently. Christ. Playing in 3 different systems really, although 2 are based on the same managers philosophy. -
Howes Bournemouth are hit and miss. Good going forward some games then utterly toothless the next. Also defensively they are very suspect. The money hes spent there is a lot for a team like Bournemouth in all fairness too. Although theyve signed some talented players in the past, (Ryan Fraser biggest bargain theyve made in years though, was like 300k and now they will get 30m at least for him if they sell him in the summer off the back of a season where he got 14 assists), the likes of Jordon Ibe, Dom Solanke, Lewis Cook, Tyron Mings, Jefferson Lerma, though have all cost them big money for a club with their resources and struggled to do anything of note. Id like to see Howe at a bigger club than Bournemouth to see his potential as a manager at a big club in the future but ultimately I dont know if he will ever manage a CL level side. Which is the minimum of what we should be aspiring to be.
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How did James Maddison do? Been a huge fan since he played up here on loan for Aberdeen. Has massive massive potential.
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No but he would have gotten more assists than he did at Palace. Alexander-Arnolds final ball is better but I dont think hes anywhere near as solid defensively or as good at recovering as Wan Bissaka. Plus I generally get the feeling Alexander-Arnold would be better in central midfield.
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Wan-Bissaka was probably the best or 2nd best RB over the course of the PL season last year. Honestly dont think Trent Alexander-Arnold had a much much better season bar his assists stats but if you'd put Wan Bissaka in a team with Firminio, Salah, Mane, Keita etc I reckon he would have gotten more. Comparing one game of u21s football against a PL season, like you said isnt exactly the best way to judge a player. Think Reece also needs to have an opportunity to show what he can do in the PL before we get carried away and statt saying things like player X isnt in his league. I honestly think he will get a chance this season or next depending on if he gets loaned or if he gets kept in the squad etc.
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Even if we didnt have the transfer ban, any chance we may have had in trying to sign him has more or less gone with Sarri leaving (Sarri repoterdly was very interested in signing him here and an ex Napoli sporting director confirmed it basically) along with the fact Juventus have had long standing interest, need a winger as Dybala isnt suited to 433 and now have the manager who wanted him here.
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Doesnt matter if hes on holiday or not. We havent even approached Derby yet. Technically cant speak to him until we agree compensation with Derby. Needs to get sorted ASAP, players and managers have cut holidays short before because clubs have agreed compensarion/transfer fees. This is no different. Its just the usual Chelsea FC lack of urgency to get anyrhing done. Also Kante swapping with Jorginho and playing infront of the defence? Is that guy joking? When has Kante ever played as a 6. Except in like 4 or 5 games under Conte which in that run we lost very badly vs Arsenal and Liverpool... wasnt his fault but he isnt a sitting midfielder.
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Apparently Derby offered Gerrard the job if Lamps leaves??? He rejected it anyway.
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Seeing the likes of how Saul, Koke, Gimenez, Courtois, Thomas, Oblak, Costa etc have all gone on and improved 10 fold under him at some stage it, dont think his record gets enough appreciation in developing players. Even Griezmann, Turan, Filipe Luis, Godin, Miranda etc all who have improved under him too. Not only has he improved young/younger players but he got a shit lot out of some players where some wouldnt have done. No doubts he is a top coach.
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Aversge player or not with this transfer ban, if anybody thinks we should sell him this summer they need a look in the mirror. We just lost Eden. CHO is injured. Willian, Pedro and Pulisic are our only options right now. CHO probably wont be back to late this year. We need 4 wingers in the squad.
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Sarri will use him at Juve I reckon. Didnt work out, fair enough but for me the move happened 6 months too late. If we got him in the summer hed of been fitter and maybe that could of made a difference, still has the movement but his match fitness and physical condition wasnt great.
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Get the next guy in sooner now as opposed to the whole spectacle last year with Sarri.
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1. Bundesliga is barely a lightweight league, same questions probably werent asked of the likes of Gundogan, Aubamayang, Sane, Son and whoever else. 2. He had one bad year with injuries and fitness yes but think at his age, a full pre season here and a few months to adapt he will be fine.
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5 who could be world class? I am genuinely intrigued who you mean because to say what, Reece, Ruben, Callum, Mason and Tammy could be world class is 1) getting well ahead of yourselvsle and 2) putting huge pressure on them. Ten Hag, Lampard, Jardim, whoever comes in.... if they chose to throw their weight behind 5 or 6 young players and basically alienate senior players in their favour they will not last long. Prime example Andre Villas-Boas who statted out with the right intentions, reduce the average age of the squad, go about changing the philosophy and remaining competitive. Regardless of transfer ban or not we need to finish top 4 minimal. Thats what any manager who works here job will rely on, hence why when it looked like we may fall out of the top 4 Sarri was rumoured to have been up for the sack. Does anyone expect Chelsea, who have sacked coaches who are World cup winners, CL winners, La Liga winners, PL winners, Serie A winners, Europa League winners, quadruple winners, to honestly expect any less from anyone regardless if there names Frank Lampard? Or someone who got to the semis of the CL with Ajax... Lampard if he is appointed, despite not feeling hes ready, I hope he does well and can maintain top 4 while integrating a few younger guys in but I so have doubts. He will realisitcally only get the same/more time as everyone else before him if he does well. So lets hope he does because it means we will be doing well but in 2 or 3 years we need to be back up competing for the title regardless.
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Great so we are gonna keep Bakayoko. Fucking hell talk about a quality replacement...
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Think any manager that comes in and benches or worse, gets rid of Jorginho would be making a serious mistake. Guys shown more than enough times this season particularly in the last 10 or 15 matches he is more than good enough.
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Think with Sarri leaving certain people will stop being harsh on him and actually appreciate him for the very good player he is when he plays next season. Not the reason why Sarri ball didnt work or being "Sarri's son" or whatever other crap they came up with.
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"Another victory for Granovskaia" is that journalist tit for fucking real? When making money and not having stability or remotely trying to be competitive in footballing terms is the primary focus, then something is terribly wrong. Yes making money helps but fuck sake weve just sold our best player for a deal that could be 130m, won the Europa League, have television money due in for next season, CL money... owned by a Russian billionaire.... not to mention we cannot even buy anybody. Even if we could chances are she'd be on holiday again like the other year. How many managers have departed since she was promoted to chief executive in 2014 and taking on even more responsibility when Emenalo left?
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I love the optimism but I generally think other than Hazard and Pulisic the starting 11 will be the same as usual until RLC and Callum are fit, maybe apart from instead of playing 433 it will be 4231 if Lampard comes in but Im going 433 for now. Kepa Azpi - Rudiger - Luiz - Emerson/Alonso Kante - Jorginho - Barkley/Kovacic? (RLC) (CHO) Pulisic - Giroud/Higuain? - Willian Lets be honest change of manager and transfer ban gives everyone, who are good enough or not good enough a fresh slate. The likes of Willian, Pedro, Barkley, Alonso, Luiz will all get clean slates and will probably feature in 75% of our games next season as they are older more experienced players who any new manager will look to get onside and get support from in the dressing room. I do feel the likes of Reece, Ruben, Callum and Mason perhaps will also feature regularly in some capacity be it cup games (RJ & MM), starting (CHO & RLC 110% capable if they show what they did last season) and rotation (RJ & MM). I dont think Reece will start over Azpilicueta regularly next season. Dont think Azpi can play any worse than he perhaps did in the first half of the season either.
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Actually think it may be a good laugh if we went and appointed Tony Pulis. Long balls/huge throw ins to Giroud every match, Bakayoko clattering people chasing after his first touch, Alonso doing his best Erik Pieters impression and Willian being Willian. Na we need to get another manager sorted now Sarri to Juve is all but done basically. If its gonna be Frank then get it wrapped up quickly. If not, dont dwindle and get someone else in. If we dont get Frank then I dont know where we go from here seeing as Allegri wants to take a year off. Steve Holland definitely a wild card but couldnt see us realistically approaching him. Mourinho? I doubt that will happen. Nuno? Cant see it either. Javi Gracia? Please no. Its really looking quite bleak isn't it?
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Madrid fans were chanting for Mbappe at his presentation. Jesus christ.
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🤣 Least resistance, so you think hes just leaving purely because Juventus is an "easy option?".... Theres much more to it. Its clear a large selection of supporters dont want him and havent since the dip in December. Transfer ban (which was the clubs own doing) is basically putting the handbreak on us from potentially improving. Its clear based on comments he made before the EL final that he needed to know that that one game didnt define his season or how the club felt regarding his season. Fuck knows how his end of season meeting went, I honestly think it would have very much been a trainwreck 🤣 regardless Sarri getting up and wanting to leave is probably on the club more than on him, lets be frankly honest. The arrogance of some of our fans is audacious. Better managers than Sarri would probably do the same. Conte was rumoured to have considered resigning after his first year (after winning a PL).... if that was true, which based on how our second season under Conte went, sounds about right. When has a manager ever decided he wants to leave in the Roman era and actually did it? Also Pep "easy option"? Did you see what he did at Barcelona? He dumped big big players like Deco, Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Zambrotta, Edmilson, Eider Gudjohnsen, Yaya Toure, who had made key components of that team for years and made Barcelona better. Bayern also havent been anywhere near as good since Pep left which shows how much he improved them and got out of a squad which is still not exactly hugely different. Sure City have cash to spend but it still takes a lot to win a treble in England, in that sort of fashion, scoring that many goals etc. Pep isnt everyones cup of tea I get that but easy route? Please. We spent lots of money in the 2000s when Roman came in, were winning a lot of trophies from 2004/05 onwards, were we an easy route too for other managers? Dont be daft. Its no fluke Pep has won god knows how many trophies just like its no fluke Mourinho has won so many or Sir Alex or whoever. Great managers have trophy cabinets to back it up.
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100% Still can't believe pundits like Rio Ferdinand, Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, Jermaine Jenas etc all thought Kante was a DM and should of played there at the start of the season. Hes never played as a sitter in his days in the PL except 4 games under Conte before we changed to 343..... these guys are paid to give opinions/discuss football on the tv... mental
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Jorge Jesus. Fuck me. Really scraping the barrel now. Also Steve Holland? I hate to think we are going to go into a season with no transfers, focusing on inproving the squad by integrating players who are potentially going to be very good/good standard PL players in the next few years like Reece James, Tammy Abraham and Mason Mount and appoint a complete novice in terms of managing at the top level in either Frank Lampard or Steve Holland. It would be incredibly risky and perhaps bold but I dont see it panning out well for any of the two. Theres too much there that could possibly go wrong. Either the squad doesnt do as well as before with a lot of aging players such as Luiz, Azpi, Giroud, Willian, Pedro, Higuain, Caballero all declining ir FL/SH struggling to deal with the expectations/pressure at the club. Or not performing well and finishing outside a CL spot which would be dire for recruitment. Or various other reasons. No way Allegri would take the job because I think other teams will be interested but if not try get him on a 2/3 year deal, that gives Lampard, who I think will eventually end up in the dug out here if his coaching career goes well, enough time to actually prove his worth as a coach and then we can see. If not and if Allegri has done a good job keep him. Allegri is very much safe hands in regards to everyone else weve been linked with, similar to appointing Conte I feel. Experienced at 2 top clubs in Milan and Juventus, won with both, tactically flexible, able to get the best out of players by making a system to better suit them rather than shoehorning players into a fixed system. I think its a no brainer really, if hes up for it and we can get him, it would be the safest and more assuring move to take with this transfer ban next season. Hes shown that he can get the most from older players too, such as Khedira, Cuadrado, Mandzukic, Matuidi, who at their previous clubs were perhaps considered 'finished' or not good enough, which could be helpful because we have got Pedro, Willian, Luiz, Higuain, Giroud (was pretty pish other than Europa League lets be honest) etc who can all do better and he could get that from them perhaps.
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100k a week would be daft to give to a guy who has played maybe 35 first team professional games. Give him the number 10 shirt yes and a new deal on £40k a week or something and assurances he will be a big part of the clubs future in the coming years. £100k would be incredibly naive and I dont think money was ever a priority for him, playing was, let him earn the chance to continue to grow here and not instantly give him a massive massive wage due to panicking because Bayern were apparently willing to offer him £80k a week or whatever. If the guy wants to stay and I think he will, particularly if hes offered the number 10 shirt which would be a huge sign that he is considered very very important, then he will probably sign for an improvement on his current terms regardless if its £X amount more or whatever. Hope the club make a smart decision regarding his wages though because if other youngsters play 30 games or so and then start demanding that sort of wages.... it could be bad for them and the club. Young guys need to work to prove themselves and shouldnt be handed hugely hugely lucrative contracts based on 1 season that many established players probably get.