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Rarely changes a game when he comes on, lets be honest if your going to tag him with that today especially, that is lazy and is precisely what I am on about in the above comment, instead of people mentioning the guys who started and were horrendous/have been the last month or so, they will come back to player X who isn’t a regular started in all realism isnt good enough. If he played every week I would get it but he doesn’t. If you were expecting anyone in our squad to change that game today you must of been dreaming. We gifted that to Arsenal and you could tell after the first 5-10 minutes how it would pan out. I am wondering if we are ever going to see Werner or Havertz score a goal in the upcoming games. Am actually wondering if Havertz will even be back starting at this rate. Yet people are more concerned because Jorginho who played 45 minutes missed a penalty....

Probably here saying he played shit. If someone plays shit they play shit. But we played Arsenal tonight not West Ham? Just a bit ironic if he never took the penalty or even if he scored it, those get out comments wouldn’t be mentioned... its funny though he played 45 minutes and only had one memorable involvement in the game with the pen but his all round performance was definitely better than Kante’s and Kovacic’s in MF and better than most. Yet I dont see much in Reece’s thread, Ben’s thread, Mateo’s thread, Timo’s thread.... all who were piss poor tonight. Not much mention. The get out comments in a season where he’s largely been out of the side as well? It is very embarrassing if I am honest 😂

Would say I am surprised by this thread but I am not. Yes he missed a penalty but when he came on he was better than Mateo by a country mile. Wasnt difficult but it’s embarrassing saying ‘get him out’ etc because he missed a penalty in a game where we were shocking 😂

You’d think he was a championship manager reading this. His style may not be the most attractive but even then its hardly that bad. The one thing that is never mentioned regarding Allegri is his tactical flexibility. Juventus played 352 under Conte for 3 seasons after a brief go with 442. Under Allegri they played 352, 433, 442, 4231. He lost guys such as Vidal, Pogba, Pirlo and rebuilt their team with some very good players. I suppose the younger and talented players he had during his tenure at Juve such as Dybala, Pogba, Kean, Coman, Morata, Bentancur, all struggled under him and he limited them as players?? Behave.

Honestly, Klopp said we were title contenders basically and since then we have crumbled. Not purely just on Frank’s head but with a much better squad than last season and new players such as Thiago Silva, Werner and Havertz to be this bad and miles off it. Its bad. If hes still in charge next season I would be surprised.

Wow. Embarrassing. Relegation candidates strolling it.

This aged well. Doing well for Bayern. Hats off to the guy.

If we don’t beat these hopeless cunts, players need a long hard look at themselves. They are one of the most out of form teams in Europe never mind the PL. I get it wont be as simple as show up and just win but surely to fuck we must go out and get a result here. Not winning here right now would be the equivalent of losing to like a relegation candidate side and thats not even a joke they are so poor just now.

Agree with everything bar Werner, he’s had plenty of chances even playing from the left. Its been poor finishing as opposed to his positioning some times. He had the chance v West Ham from Pulisic hits it straight at Fabianski which for me a player of his quality should be scoring, the one he hits the bar again okay maybe unlucky but again you’d expect him to score 9/10 times because of his quality and that shouldn’t even be debated. Hes also missed big chances a player of his quality should do much better with against v West Brom, Newcastle, Rennes, Liverpool and Leeds off the top of my head this season. Unfortunately he has always had a big amount of big chances missed throughout his career but as he has progressed from the 2nd Bundesliga to Bundesliga to the PL and his time as an international player for Germany you’d expect that to improve because the higher the level you play the higher the stakes and the less likely you are to get big numbers of chances. I do agree as a CF he maybe will score more goals or get better chances but he’s still had huge chances playing off the left and missed them and this is becoming a recurring theme. You would be lying if you said it was purely positioning as to why hes not playing well or scoring goals. I know he’s not a out and out winger but hes still playing poorly and missing chances a player of his calibre should be scoring.

Not just that. Its the criticism these guys got who were undoubtedly top/very good players for years on end and maybe had the odd poor period when they started slowing down although people clearly thought they could be a top player all their career and never slow down (or at least hold them to that standard). Guys like Malouda, Ivanovic, Cahill (he is in there for me what he did for us for a £7m player from Bolton was excellent), as well as the obvious ones such as Terry, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Cech throughout their spells here. Even then others, who werent as good but still decent players like Mikel and Kalou, guys who weren’t ever gonna be on the same level or even half the level as some of these others guys but guys who were good servants and solid players who gave a lot, instantly dismissed and undervalued, despite respectable numbers of trophies and the big big matches they started in. What some of these guys did will never be beaten. Re Drogba: I dont think people will ever understand how good Drogba was though, like he is a PL all time great. Obviously football has moved on from his style of CF but if you didnt get to see him on the flesh or at the time on sky etc when he played youll never appreciate him as a player.

Quite a poor performance again I thought. Without Pulisic and Mount we would have struggled. Werner although playing on the left still has to do much much better. £52m. Need much more. Cant say that the few chances he had tonight and in other games that were missed were due to his positioning, just poor finishing. For all the money spent this summer we still haven’t progressed hugely imo. Well not exaclty true, we have defensively but offensively, its not good, its been disappointing. Ok missing Ziyech is big but Havertz has been a dud so far really, Werner has been pretty bad last while, Pulisic has barely been fit to play every week.

Cant believe he’s even passed that to Ronaldo first and foremost. Just stick it in the fucking net. You play for Juventus not Ronaldo. Embarrassing.

You’d hope not but again the performance last night the players looked behind the manager and you’d think if they could keep doing that doing games they'd get more results. They are in a even worse position than I thought, I didnt realise at the time they only had 1 win.

Crazy. I get results are poor there but if their idea is ok to keep your job you need to beat Man City, that is incredibly harsh. You would of thought after that performance and the next game being Villa theyd have gave him that game. Big Sam fs how does that dinosaur keep getting a job.

I know it seems unrealistic but I would like to see us play Werner and Giroud upfront together. Be it in a 352 or 442. I think Werner is struggling out wide but right now we have most of our wingers out but lots of CMs so I dont think 352 would be a huge risk. It would let him play closer to goal and be able to run in behind more. Probably wont happen. But hey.

Fullbacks decent offensively but poor defensively tonight. 100%. James and Chilwell constantly caught out of position on the break. Both embarrassing for the first goal also. Mendy perhaps does better on first goal? But the two fullbacks have to stay on their feet. Zouma has to do much better for last goal, 95th minute, show him down the line, he wants inside. For an experienced player, was poor. Offensively poor also, Havertz very very anonymous again. Werner also struggling. Ziyech is a huge miss. Pulisic good first half but tired out inevitably second half.

The change of shape helped a bit but still seen enough to know this team isn’t complete. Even more so after Everton and the game tonight. Even then regardless those games were poor performances. Yes the second one. I know it was a dead rubber, for sure but you going to say that team couldnt have played better? That those players arent good enough to beat them? Irrelevant mentioning Bayern, they are European Champions, we are not at that level. Villarreal and Real (struggling just now) maybe not the greatest opposition but still over 2 games in knockout competition, Atletico are very dangerous imo. Particularly more so after watching the Everton and Wolves games (on top of some of the earlier games this season) we have just lost and not only just lost but probably quite deservedly so. I have no doubts Atletico are better sides than both quite comfortably and will definite play in a similar manner also. Also if our game plan is still gonna be giving it to Chilwell or James and letting them cross it Atletico will eat that up all day, if theres one thing they know how to do well it is defend from crosses. I didnt say they were unbeatable, I said dangerous and they will be wanting to play a team like us rather than some of the others they could have got because we are still a work in progress, with faults and not completely settled.

Big let off. We have been rotten second half. I said after CL draw we still had inconsistencies and mistakes in us. Some people said maybe last year we did. In terms of creativity the performance has been on par with most of last seasons in second half of the season. If Chilwell or James dont cross or Pulisic doesnt dribble, we havent made chances.

Should Mendy not be doing better there?

Is this Chelsea or Arsenal? Bar crossing we are doing nothing in terms of creativity. Just as I say that we score from a cross.

What about the games against Everton, Krasnador, United, Seville, Southampton, West Brom, Liverpool this season? Still mistakes, still inconsistencies, still things to be worked on. Wouldn’t say we have completely resolved everything we struggled with last season, we have made good steps in the right direction yes with set pieces and more solid at times but to think we still don’t have weaknesses or are a complete team is naive. I mean Everton just showed us a valuable lesson at the weekend imo and I would not be surprised if Atletico and other teams follow suit against us. We still haven’t won any of our big games domestically this season also. Also regardless of what people think about Atletico right now or think about Diego Simeone wouldn’t write them off yet, in terms of knockout football they are more than capable. Its not as if we arent favourites if thats what people think I meant, its just that the idea I am getting from posts on here is that we are basically through to the next round already because its only Atletico. Which couldn’t be further from the truth. Its a good opportunity to see where we are at. Particularly as they are a better side that what we have played in the CL already arguably.

Think Atletico will be rubbing their hands tbf as we are still a side with inconsistencies which will play into their hands. We all know we are gonna attack them and they will just do their thing sitting off. They aren’t as good as before perhaps but they are one of the best cup teams in Europe because you know they will make it tough, the game will be scrappy, they will play with a real intensity and although they don’t play amazing attacking football they are more than functional. This is a good gauge to see where we are at in my opinion. But a very tough tie.

LB? Is he not a winger/attacking midfielder every game? I thought Charlie Taylor was Burnley's LB.

Spurs definitely at this rate are title contenders perhaps even favourites. I know its 0-0 but they are playing excellently, recovering second balls and getting the ball out wide. Palace have that threat on the break but Spurs quality in their play and getting the fullbacks up the pitch gives them so much. Hojbjerg has been an good buy for 15m. Value for money

Offside. Lucky as fuck. Chilwell doing his best Kyle Walker impression though there, just idiotic trying to get across there. Never winning the ball.