didierforever

. please rakitic swap. 15mil +marin. please.

i asked which clubs he could go to and u gave a list of clubs, 99% of which, he has no chance to go. for a player wanting to leave, he does not always have to blow a trumpet thru media 1st thing first, mandzukic and costa in the same squad would mean both the strikers fighting for the 1st squad position. please undersatand that this is real life and not fifa. look at torres and etoo. look at how they were played to their strengths. we did not have a 1st striker then and with these 2 it would be the same. also, city have played many times with just one striker when aguero is out. only after aguero continously got injured and negredo hopelessly lost form did dzeko get a real run in. mandzukic with the heyneckes bayern played in a way that would be closest to describing the way jose would want us to play. he definitely has more experience, a better CV. and the fact that we are discussing who would fit our system best should tell u that their wont be no outright first striker (unlike the situation generated by costa-lukaku scenario). hence saying mandzukic would simply come from bayern's bench to ours is wrong!!!

u brought the russian clubs and napoli/bvb/atm... none of whom seem to be interested in him. dzeko is their 3rd choice striker, in a 2 striker system while mandzukic will be 2nd striker in a 1 striker system. also, city have a lot of times gone to 4-2-3-1 with silva behind a lone striker. as i said before, mandzukic as a 2nd striker in bayern is VERY DIFFERENT from mandzukic as a 2nd striekr for chelsea. i have given my reasons before. again u bring in clubs that have so far not been linked at all with him but u want to stop talking about russian clubs. they are different in strengths and abilities. costa is a brilliant dribbler, manzukic has a nice link-up play. they will be used accordingly to their strengths. buying both would probably be because united have 2 WC strikers - rooney, rvp, pool have SAS, city have 4 of them. hence jose wants to compete with them in that regards. when i said they is not much of a difference, i meant in their level and class.

what? money does matter but so does football!!!!!! you go and play in russia when a club is offering u foolish and insane money like they did to etoo!!! the last time i checked, anzhi is not doing that anymore. players like witsel are shouting to leave and hulk gets rumored every other week. he is not going to warm our bench. we play 60 matches in a season in PL. look at dzeko. he was city's 3rd striker. he ended up finishing as one of the most important player. costa will hit a rocky patch or mario may hit a purple patch. plus in PL about 15 matches would be a 0-0/1-1 till 60th minute, with an important sub coming on. and this situation is WAY BETTER than the one at bayern. in bayern he will be 2nd striker but if pep wants to change the game (which wont happen much with bayern anyways), then it will be one of the few hunderd WC players at his disposal and not mario who was anyways overlooked many times this season in place of a false 9. also we are talking about mario mandzukic. the difference between mandzukic and costa is not much (infact people were still unsure who would be a better buy at the mid-season point). even if u take costa to be the better player, the difference in their class is NOT that much that it would precede form. this "bench warmer" thing is a poor argument.

so you think a player would want to play in a russian league (i would like u to name other WC players other than witsel and hulk in the russian league, if they can be said to be WC) rather than coming to chelsea and fighting for titles for the foreseeable future. well i think no player in his right mind would do that. if mandzukic actually chooses russian league, then good riddance that we dint get him.

arsenal - never going to win ANYTHING. plus wages not as good as ours. bvb - doubt bayern will sell them. napoli - he will still be no.2 behind a 40mil higuain. russian clubs - so basically you think he would want to semi-retire from football rather than play for chelsea and be in the elite pool. ATM and roma are good options. but we are a better option.

like?

in short, lukaku's future depends on the WC

mandzukic is 27, costa is 25. lukaku is 20. simply cant see lukaku taking a 3rd striker role behind these guys. he has to know that his play time with these 2 in the squad reduces exponentially and too for coming years (not just one or 2.).

dafuq did he say??? was it real?

NOOOOOOOOO... i would have taken him before costa-deal but definitely not now. would mean the end of lukaku.

so what if he asked to go out on loan. he wanted to play football. he thought with 3 strikers already here, his playtime would be very less and that would affect his WC chances. even if you take that as a negative saying he put himself over the team, u have to remember that he is 20 years old. and the WC is a massive massive tournament. look at oscar and his performances. you dont go about selling players for a mistake. even they are human and are bound to do something or say something which would be wrong specially if they are still just kids. selling lukaku would be a mistake, a bigger one than selling off sturridge. lukaku is the best u-21 striker in the world. he is PL proven, and has the potential to be the best, whats more is that he is already better than any strikers we currently have on our pay role. he should stay here as a no.2.

not to sound like a party-pooper but in the last 3 posts, i have read that rodriguez is solid in defence brilliant in attack along with set piece delivery has an awesome crossing ability. the guy seems to be perfect.

Have not watched rodriguez at all. What's the comparison between moreno and him? Any idea?

hahahahahahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa....

well, thats why i dint take into account the game he played as RW. the games they have started as CMs is 6-2 in a 8 match sample. should tell u a lot in that too. i was not defending rambo. anyone who puts in a tackle like he did against villa, deserves to be banned. again, its all on your first statement and the follow ups. jose has chosen rambo over luiz.

rambo started 6 matches in the pivot (not counting the city match), 1 game as a RW. DL started 2 matches in the pivot, 2 as a CB. in a total sample set of 8 matches, not taking into account the 3 matches where DL was not in the matchday squad (one of those 3 matches were spurs at 8th march, 2 days after DL played for brazil, same as rambo hence saying he was injured is a maybe for me). (another of those matches are villa on 15th march, 2 days before he was on the bench against gala but lets give him the benefit of doubt there),

oh dear god, these are all the games that rambo was eligible. arsenal,palace, stoke, pool, norwich, cardiff - were the games he was banned for. lets even ONLY take the games where both of them were in the matchday squad, still united - DL and rambo whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench city - DL and rambo both starting newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench who do you see starting more?

:carlo2: after matic came in, these are the PL matches we have played united - DL and rambo whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench city - DL and rambo both starting newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB everton - rambo starts, DL not in the squad fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub spurs - rambo starts,DL not in the squad villa - rambo starts,DL not in the squad (injury) rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench so dude, whenever, rambo and DL are eligible, it has been rambo who has started.

which big games? against city, he was deployed as a defensive winger cos there is no one better than him in that role. (matic was not eligible, still rambo played in the same role in CL. which means it was tactical). the other big match we played after that was spurs which rambo started, arsenal and pool for which he was not eligible. also, the argument was not just about big games. Anybody who choses ramires over DL in the cm position you lose it for me.and jose has.

read the whole thing. not just the parts u want.

and he answered himself when he wrote that. mistakes are bound to happen. there are mistakes like DL own goal against PSG and JT own goal against palace, which are more unlucky than mistakes. and then there are mistakes like the cardiff howler and letting a striker get ahead of him (anichebe) or being out of position while trying to nick the ball (everton). dont see how that is so difficult to understand.

precisely my point. rambo playing as a defensive winger dint have much to do with matic playing against city. rambo's versatility played a role their. dude, i dont know what u r trying to even argue here. do u really think that rambo has not played enough for us. he has played 3793 minutes despite being suspended for [7 PL games (5 yellow cards, 2 suspensions of 3 games each) plus 2 match ban for CL] making it a total of 9 games. we played a total of 57 games, which meant rambo was eligible for 48 of them (4320 minutes) which means he has played about 88% of the time he has been available. i seriously dont know what u r talking about.

why is it not? our manager trusts a 33 year old to play almost every match in the season rather than resting him and playing DL as a CB in few of the matches. there is a reason behind it. he does not trust DL and DL dint help himself in those regards. how is making individial errors not a part of it? GC-JT is a better partnership cos they not only suit our low block better than DL but cos they are also less error prone. we are not a team that can afford to give a goal cos of a moment of madness cos we dont score that many. also kieran's exact words were He didn't get a chance when we changed to a more defensive minded approach this season he did get a chance and he screwed it.

we needed someone who could do a defensive job on the wing. who better than rambo for it. that was the reason for it and even against ATM, even though mikel played that match, rambo started on the wing.