didierforever

precisely. he has not played CM as much as i know.atleast have not seen him play there this season. i would rather have rakitic.

he plays for chelsea football club. he gets paid to play for us. the minimum a fan expects from these players is 100% effort and total fight to see the team succeed. did oscar do that? our manager sold our 2 times POTY and made him our undisputed no.1 no.10. and he re-paid the manager and the fans' faith by such half-arsed performances. its "common sense" that the player who is tipped to be our center of our core in the future atleast gives a damn about the club. so far i have seen nothing from oscar which tells me that he gives a flying fuck. the last WC was in 2010, we won the league with JT, lamps as our core. before that, it was in 2006, we won the PL with JT and lamps as our core. having a WC in your home country should be such an issue that u stop giving your 100% and put in average performances for the club. that is the weakest argument i have heard.

brilliant. exactly what i wanted to hear. we should buy more players who "hold off" and put personal glories ahead of the clubs. i mean legends like JT and lamps and cech are born out of this stuff. the lengths people go to defend their favourite players is quite amusing!!!!

come on ATM. fuck these a-holes.

i dint bring the ATM game as an example of DL's poor performance. infact he was decent on the night. i brought it up to show EH17's "minute" mistake and how our tactics dont have much margin of error.

true fan!!!!! standing ovation for this guy. mourinho has a TERRIBLE record in the transfer market. he sold zlatan and bought etoo and bloody won the treble with inter milan. he bought the likes of cech, DD, essien, paulo etc etc who were the core of our team, all pathetic buys, right? ozil and maria in RM, pathetic!!! all terrible. sack him. fire him. crucify him!!!!

precisely. we dont need him desperately. we have options like moreno, RR, luis or even coentrao. he is a chelsea fan, he should force the move. 20mil (at max) bid from us is still over-priced but should satisfy soton too.

cant wait for him to be in the ex-blues section. please god please!!!!!!!!!

a tottenham high line, a chelsea low line or a barca no line, now it simply does not matter. the only person whose opinion mattered was jose and he thinks luiz is not the guy for us. DL is a GREAT FOOTBALLER (great defender?, i am still not sure) but as a CHELSEA defender, he barely could be counted as GOOD. and that is the most important thing. he simply was not the defender for us. his "minute" errors are the things that our system does not allow. we play a very rigid and organized way with very little margin for error (look at the ATM 2nd leg, one "minute" mistake from EH17 had a catastrophic effect). hence, makes perfect sense to let go off a defender who simply did not play that way.

OTT!!!!! bertrand is worth at least 5mil as he is a very decent player. soton would be perfect for him, a mid/higher mid table team. plus being english adds a few more. bertrand and 20mil is WAY OTT!!!

55mil? that a MAJOR understatement. i thought PSG themselves bought him for 60mil. with us ripping them off for luiz, they will atleast try to get us back a little. 65mil, will be minimum.

schurrle had a good season considering it was his first. willian was our spine and probably the player jose thought oscar would be for him plus the finishing in the last third which willian really lacks. oscar and hazard were supposed to be the core this season. they were supposed to be the players who were going to take the team to its heights. hazard did his job, oscar dint. not even close. and what rubbish pivot are u talking about? oscar was infact "good" when we had a rubbinsh pivot. it was after matic came in and improved us infinitely, did oscar become poor. the conditions were their for oscar to shoulder the team. instead he himself crumbled. also, if u cant bare to handle the truth then close your eyes, but dont tell me shut up.

show us what u got tank.

no way is he staying now!!!! for once we are in a condition where we can take a "hit" FFP-wise by selling him. even if we get 10mil for him in transfer to some god-forsaken team, we would be losing 8mil (FFP-wise) these will be the total amount on the books (FFP-wise) torres= 8mil ba = 2mil (amortized fee) + 5mil (wages) lukaku = 4mil (fee) + 3mil (wages) costa = 6mil (fee) + 6mil (wages) a total of 34mil for 3 strikers. if we sell ba for 5mil, and keep torres, this is what would go in our books ba = 0mil torres = 9mil (fee) + 10mil (wages) lukaku = 4+3 costa = 6+6 a total of 38mil for 3 strikers. which means, even if we sell torres for 6mil, he would be profitable to us. jose and our board cant posibbly have missed this.

we are done with transition. this was the last year and if u cant see THAT then well, you really need to seee. from the start of the last season to the start of this season these are the players that potentially would not be a part of chelsea mata kdb essien bertrand* (has said that he wants first team and would look at options) luiz etoo cole lamps* (most probably will be released) torres* (should be sold to anyone who dares put a bid) mikel* (rumors are already there) schwarzer hilario so that is a list of 12 players out of 25 that will be changed for us next season. u think the last season was not a transition one??? now jose has the players he wants. plus with costa coming in, we will have a striker to play with.

luiz and mata transfers were similar??? mata was transfered in the winter window. any deals, be it selling or buying in the winter window are generally cumbersome. the player you are buying may not be able to fit into your team or the you wont be able to replace the sold player's quality. mata left huge shoes to be filled, which unfortunately we could not fill. whu, villa, palace, sunderland, norwich. 5 games (3 at home) and we scored 1 goal in them. mata would have been essential in those games. his quality and class would have been vital. probbaly even jose knew that we wont be able to do that and hence always re-inforced the idea that we were not in the title race or that we were the "little horse". fans here were upset with the transfer cos they knew we simply could not replace the quality in the same window and it might end up costing us, which it did. but it was the best thing to do for chelsea in the long term and jose chose well. the other very essential reason people hated the mata transfer was the fact that we sold him to united. a direct rival. he was one of the most popular and loved players of all here, and he went to the club that almost everyone here despies. u cant expect people to stay calm when our POTY 2 times in the last 2 years is being sold to united. if he was sold to psg/RM/barca, the fans would not have gone so ballistic. another reason for the DL transfer getting such an awesome response is the mighty TRANSFER FEE. 50mil is not a joke. it is massive. and fans expect that 50mil to be used to get a quality CM. they know that our 5th/6th choice CB (behind JT,GC, iva, zouma and probably kalas in the eyes of our manager) will be sold to get a first team CM which we are in a dire need of. moreover DL was judged on his performance the whoke season and then deemed surpkus which is way more fair than mata. there are so many factors about this transfer which make it so much more acceptable.

oh my spelllings are bad... well when people dont have any major things to contribute to a discussion, they tend to look at the most trivial of things possible. i quoted a post of yours. dontcare what discussion u had with someone else. i saw that stupid, idiotic, asenine, mind-numbing post before going thru the whole forum to see if u had changed your mind or not!!! actually u were right??? :lol: 4 months of crapiness and then his fanboys says this. :lol: the fact that he dint even take part in any of the big games towards the end should be an indication of how SHIT he was. as for mata "fans", all i see are majority chelsea fans wanting the best for the team. and when jose put all his trust in oscar while selling mata, people expected a certain level of performances from the boy which he absolutely and completely failed to deliver. to call those people "mata fans" instead of accepting that oscar was poor/average this season is well... a pathetic comment from a pathetic poster. 240p streams are still better than 144p which i have no doubt u have been watching. but i like your consistency from day one, you have had no other thing to see. probably vocabulary or iq problem.

u corrected urself? this was your post that i quoted. which is as nonsensical as you are. what u edit in the posts later dont really count. Who do you guys think is next? Not including loanees... I would put my money on either Oscar/Hazard. also, i dont hate oscar. i just dont over-rate him. and this season has showed me that i am correct and probably should have showed you how wrong u were. i still remember us having an argument about oscar's "effort" in the 2012-13 season towards the end of the season. go to the oscar thread and READ for yourself what the majority of people think about his efforts and fights for this club. i ll go back to scholl if u go back to the institution.

:lol:So u think no one else except for hazard/oscar will be sold this season? Mikel, torres, ba included. U said NEXT!!! Which would mean the person who is announced after luiz. And we still have a lot of dead wood to let go. Yet u think oscar/hazard will be next. I am giving u a time period of one year while u are giving urself a time period of a couple of months cos realistically we will sell someone else this window itself. So really, not very hard to understand. I watched oscar this year on hd. He was fabulous. Our best player. The bestest ever. I nean what brilliant perfoenances did he put when we needed him the most. OH WAIT!!!! Oscar just lolled for the last 4 months. Probably u should check your tv/satellite connections to see if you got the right coverage. Oh forget it. Waste of time talking to someone whose iq seems to be less than oscae's goal and assist tally combined this season

i am not a fan of modi and his antics, but talk with some respect about the PM of my country.

I did learn how to read. Probably u can learn to UNDERSTAND. You are saying one of hazard/oscar will be sold next. I say, they won't even be sold this season. I am giving u better odds and a better bet which u ll win irrespective of "when" they are sold. Should be a no-brainer for someone who thinks hazars/oscar are next on the jose hit-list.Simply extended the bet (really dint think it was this hard to UNDERSTAND).

Dp.

Make a 20mil bid for him (even that is over paying). If he realky wants to play for us, here is his chance. Otherwise move on. We have the money, we have the luxury to choose from different options (shaw, moreno, RR, luis ). So the ball is un our court.b

Get him jose!!! Does not matter how much!!! Just get him.

Fine. Done. U put your money on us selling hazard/oscar, while I say they both won't be sold this season at the least. 20 £? What say?