Tomo

We didnt flop that bad after Jose and we had Avram Grant.

We had a lot of injuries in 06/07 and 07/0 but still managed to push United all the way both times.

Taking a treble winning Inter side that also won 5 league title's in a row to 7th place is not unlucky, it's pure shite managing.

The Sun, The Mirror and goal.com.

Who knows maybe Moyes will be an exception to the rule but he has had the mid table will do mentality for years at Everton, it isn't easy to just change that mindset and adapt to a team with an owner that expects the lot.

2 names im going to mention quickly, Sam Allardyce and Roy Hogsdon. 2 manager's that worked wonders at mid table teams with limited budget's, got them into Europe and punching well above their weight. Got top jobs at Newcastle and Liverpool respectively and both made absolute pig ears of it. If both stayed at Bolton and Fulham i guarantee a fair number of Chelsea fans would be calling for one of those 2 to come in. Bare that in mind when calling for Rodgers or Moyes.

Ive tried this before but it didn't work so lets try it again. From this moment no one comment on this thead until Torres scores, call it a strike, whos in?

Because he still offer's the most going forward and he was fantastic in the last do or die CL tie against Valencia. For me Luiz-JT is still number one partnership, Cahill for me is immediate back up to both and a very good one may i add.

Luiz has to start at CENTRE HALF, he is not the sort of player you leave out when chasing a tie.

Can't believe some of the stuff i am reading. We never once looked like conceding, we had total control of the match and kept going at Stoke until eventually we found a breakthrough. If United produced a performance like that you would all be in the english football thread waxing lyricals about how it.

You just knew Madrid would win that, now lets hope Barca drop points and give Madrid even more breathing space.

No im just getting bored of all these Torres excuses, he's been shit for us and if he didn't cost £50m his inclusion in match day squad's would cause full scale riots.

He could have been the answer to our forward problem this season. But no Fernando will come good, he shows flashes once a month.

The team that went down for 10 men will go ultra defensive like Stoke did and United would eventully grind them down (which we did).

Who cares? how often does anyone put world beating performances against Stoke, they simply very rarely let it happen, even United limped to victory against them at Old Trafford infact even Barca won't get it all their own way if they ever faced Stoke.

Lets hope this puts an end to the tedious cry's to get him playing in other position's.

Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure United needed 2 controversial pens to beat Stoke at Old Trafford and that was on a wide Old Trafford pitch. Narrow pitches like The Bridge suit Stoke down to the ground.

If Mourinho wins La Liga and especially the CL aswell he will leave Madrid no 2 ways about it. He would have toppled Barca on the 2 big front's, he will leave on that high. This year Barca have tinkered abit and dropped precious points, that won't happen again and Jose knows that.

RDM lost 0-3 at home to Stoke for West Brom last season i think.

Meireles defensive midfield against Stoke

If Kalou's inclusion keeps Malouda far away from the team then im not bothered.

Goalkeeper and defence look allright, dont like the look of the rest of the lineup tho.

Bit harsh kicking out one and not the other, maybe they see Billy as too good a talent to let go?

Allright then just pretend for a minute he didn't cost £50m from Liverpool and was signed for £3m from Twente. We would be moaning every time this guy was on the bench let alone the first Xl. The bottom line is he just hasn't been good enough.

Ive got a headache just by looking at that emotion.