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When he fails under Benitez then go back to Liverpool on loan in January and fails again (leaving us stuck with a Torres at rock bottom next summer) will you accept he is finished? or will the next excuse be he hasn't returned to Athtletico yet.

If he "gave a fuck" what we think, Ancelotti would not have turned up, so no double with 103 goals. Also if "he gave a fuck" what we thought, Ranieri would never have got sacked, meaning consequently no Mourinho. He does what he thinks is best and right for the club, no fans will complain if Rafa delivers success, infact we will probably all backtrack and pretend we never said anything bad about him in a similar way we do with Ashley Cole now. He may have said not nice things about us in the past but boy we gave it back to him and then some.

It might aswell be 1984 the amount of fans at all clubs who can't get with the times, even one's who weren't born "back in the day" are pining for that era.

Rafa has literally no control over anything, if Roman decides to sell/demote Torres in January, Rafa is has about as much power to change things as i do.

Their was also an empty seat in the dugout, make of that what you will.

It was these type of games which was Rafa's Achilles heel at Liverpool, his previous two clashes at home to Fulham have yielded in goalless draws.

At the top end of football it is all about results, hench why 10-30% of teams a season sometimes more change manager's in England.

Jesus and i thought the stripping Lampard of his legend status after the AVB sacking was knee jerk Were not the only club too do this, Liverpool have sacked club legend's on more than one occasion, Newcastle hung Shearer out to dry.

Why? because we sack managers? if that's the case Real and Inter must be too, or was it because it was a club legend we sacked? if that's the case then Liverpool are too.

Neil made a big mistake announcing his arrival from the tunnel.

comment on the BBC: 'It stuns me that he is looking so far abroad when the master tactician that is Garth Crooks is already in the UK. How he is not the bookies favourite is beyond me. You only need to look at his team of the week selections to see that the guy knows his stuff. Plus you'll get entertainment, with formations like 4-1-5! Although don't score 1 week and your out of the team!'

Some of the knee jerk reactions about the owner would make me genuinely scared to come near West London if we had Gillett, Hicks, Venky's, Glazers or the bloke's that destroyed Pompey in-charge.

What? Lampard, Drogba and all our legend's get the same offer from us as Giggs and Scholes do for United, one year rolling contracts. The only difference is the lads at United accept the offers.

It's a two way street, Rafa made shit comments about us in the past, we have all done it back to him, If he delivers any form of success most of us will backtrack and pretend we never said them, just like we "never" called Torres a ladyboy or "never" hated Ashley Cole. All our English players we currently have grew up supporting other clubs, do you seriously think they have never said things about us just as bad if not worse than what Rafa said? Chelsea and Rafa will never be a love marriage, this is a marriage of convience, if Rafa steadies the ship we will be in good sted ready for the new manager (hopefully Jose or Pep) and Rafa's stock will be back on the rise so he can recover his career elsewhere. and LOL at the comment in this thread saying people who don't abuse Rafa from the off are plastics, i suppose comments like "fed up of suuporting this club, whats happening?" or "Lampard is now scum" two of the beauty's that have been spouted after recent sacking's is better?

My biggest worry is can Rafa change tact for the game against Fulham midweek? This was a typical Rafa performance from his Liverpool days in big games, tight, organized and not giving much away, his weakness his home games against Fulham and the likes as he draws a lot of them. Having said that, Rafa's tactical display today gave me a lot of encouragement for the CL knockout stage if Shacktar can somehow save us.

If Cahill performed like this today there be a wankfest going on in his player profile. But today proves the point further, Cahill and Luiz are terrible with each other, good when their with Terry or Ivanovic.

What The Skipper said "In none of those pictures can you say the goals were all solely Luiz's fault.". But i haven't hid the bad form he is in, the point i was trying to get across is Cahill is a bigger part of the problem that some believe/admit and the fact of the matter is neither deserve to be near the team on recent form and if Alex was still around neither would be, assuming Alex got out of the shite form he himself was in this time last year (ofcourse needless to say he didn't get half the flack Luiz is currently getting).

What we needed this week was for Terry, Lampard or even Mata to go public pleading with the fans not to protest against Benitez. Doubt it would have stopped every one but im sure would have significantly reduced the numbers.

Why because he slagged us off in the past? you really think Lampard, Terry and Cole didn't slagg us off at any point growing up as West Ham, United and Arsenal fans respectively? Roman always does what he thinks is best for the club, as an interim appointment Benitez is as good as we are going to get.

If you look back at my comments on other thread's i have said Luiz has been terrible this last month and if Alex was still here he would probably have been dropped by now but to say Cahill has been any if that much better is a joke infact most of the season he has been below par, although he scored the equalizer in that match his performance against Reading i get still get nightmares from. The United match is the prime example, despite marking thin air for the second goal and getting embarrassingly turned by RVP which led to Ivan's red card, all the blame was shifted on Luiz as usual, the Athletico match is another example, both were terrible but who got the blame while the other was wrapped up in cotton wool? Luiz and Cahill is an awful partnership, the worst i have seen in 18 years of following this club, it's not coincidence both have lost form since the International break where they have been playing together non stop, how many outright awful games have either had with Terry? (i can think of one for each, Shacktar for Luiz and Reading for Cahill) They both have the tendency to ruin good games with a brain fart but both are fine with Terry just absolute tosh with each other.

The United league match at home, amoungst others.

I remember when Mourinho left, the club confirmed within hours that the staff he brought in the first place have also left the club. When Scolari left, his assistant (can't remember his name) went with him something that was confirmed almost immediately. When AVB left, the technical staff (IE opposition scout Souza) departure's were confirmed at the same time. Am i the only one finding it weird there has been no conformation of his assumed departure? Not even an "Assistant Eddie Newton has also left the club" at the end of the Di Matteo sacked articles.

Then is that true of Cahill aswell? because he looks just as crap when those two play together, if not worse.

Stability for the sake of it, i personally hope they keep Mancini for many years to come, he is their weak link. Look at Newcastle, one good season and their giving Pardew a kneejerk 8 years contract, something that is likely to bite them in the backside sooner rather than later.

Glad we are keeping Arsenal and Spurs at arms length, those two are the teams we really need to be dropping points this season, not the clubs from Manchester.