Puliiszola

What are you arguing about? Is werner actually being used like a Hazard or a willian? Where he is simply pinging crosses in the box or he is trying to take on players and trying to be the playmaker? Sure as hell is not. The heatmap showed his involvement as much centrally as a wide player. Did not I use the word "traditional"? So? You can see world class potential in a player and pre-emptively try to avoid him leaving rather keep playin him. Wait, did not you want FL to want give Kai the Puli treatment, yet want FL to put CHO in the deep end of the pool when he does not think he is ready. I am sorry, but simply dont understand how stopping someone that you think might become a great player to go to Bayern makes him ready to play. CHO is given opprtunities in cup games and I am sure would get some in the coming period too. Also, its not like FL does not give youth the chance. We have mount and Reece and Tammy as proves. So if he thinks werner is a better option than CHO at the moment on the wings, I am willing to go with it. Then we need to get depth for that position. A stop-gap maybe until CHO is ready. If not, then yes, werner on the wing. And why not? I can see exactly his uses on the "wing" or just playing a little wider (as i would put it). He is getting into great goal scoring oppurtunities, which shows that the system designed for him is working. He simply needs to convert those chances and add goals. Tammy and giroud are playing their parts, werner needs to play his. So? Maybe people did not rate him as high as I did. I carried expectations into the season, just did not expect the season to be so weird. Also, everyone has their expectations and something concrete to base their results on. Whether the manager is doing things right or not. Whats yours? That he "supposedly" did not play the right formation in ONE game? Or that he is not using werner right, despite him getting into multiple simple goal scoring oppurtunities in each game which suggests to the contrary. Oh. Did we use Kepa, jorginho, Alonso again in these 2 games? What "bad habits", that we struggled without 2 of our best creative players in pulisic and ziyech, and that we were conceding 3 goals almost every game? Yes, seems totally fair to compare the 2. There are? Weird because most of the dynasties from Jose's chelsea to pep's barca to klopp's pool have a set formation that they play 90-95% of the games. Infact any club legendary teams not named "Ferguson's united" had a very set pattern of play and formation. The only time Pep seems to deviate from his norm is in CL semis and fucks himself over. Regardless, after 17 games unbeaten FL had every right to go with the same formation.

I did not expect this to be the season it is turning out to be. Did you? Did anyone? People expected Leicester, everton, soton, WHU, Wolves, Villa to be within just 6 points of 2nd place with more 1/3rd of the season played when the season started? I did not. 80 points would have been fair objective at the start of a normal season for me. But given how its gone, you have to change the objective. Exactly. At that moment, it simply felt that he did not know what to do and how to use. I always felt (since the restart when we did play kante as a 6), that Kante was the best option with 2 no. 8s. Somehow FL seemed hell bent on not doing that and playing jorginho in the team when he just is not a good fit for PL. even last night, we became a 10 times better team and mid as soon as Jorgi was subbed. Anyways, I simply dont understand what that has to do with the current discusssion. At that moment we seemed directionless with a complete lack of play structure. And had nothing to do with results. The current hoopla around FL is based on 2 defeats after 17 unbeaten games. Seems massively unfair to me. When i said "you did not see Barca changing their way from 4-3-3.", i meant the successful one. The dynasty one. I feel this team has it them to be a dynasty of sorts similar to that barca team or current pool team. The current barca is a joke led by a clown in koeman. If you think Riqui Puig should not be starting ahead of all the joke midfielders or 30+ has beens, there is something really really wrong with you as manager.

i dont know what you seem to have understood from the bolded part, but I think its pretty self-explanatory. If you think werner, is playing like a traditional winger, then good for you. I cant argue then. Ofcourse, if he plays, as a LW, he has to maintain position specially in defence, he cant get into the dangerous positions specially in transition. But given how much of the ball we generally have, and his position when we do have the ball, the point still stand, he is not being used as a "traditional winger". FL's lack of faith in CHO cant be equated to werner playing ahead of Puli as a LW and Ziyech as a RW. Lets wait and watch and revisit this once (hopefully, how is it possible that ziyech and puli have not been fit at the same time) both are fit. I have no doubt where werner would start. These are problems, which come when you have injuries. Can you give me a solution, a solution that involves not playing a double pivot as none of our CMs are good at it. You keep using CHO as if FL trusts him, when its quite clear that he does not do that YET.

One of my main issues was the chopping and changing. I could not see a pattern of play, what roles the players used to play. What is wrong in that? I wanted stability and a stable formation. In one of the post, I say as much, "why did we change a stable 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1". You can keep chopping and changing, but at the end of the day, if you are looking for a dynasty, then you play YOUR way. You dont see Liverpool changing their formation, you did not see Barca changing their way from 4-3-3. Also, if you give FL his due, its fine. But if I do it, its not? You can go from PRO FL to beating him about a formation change, but I cant because he keeps playing jorginho, kepa, changing formation. He did the exact thing, I am against, CHANGING FORMATION.

Except for the Wolves heatmap, they dont look as someone playing quite centrally? I would love his comparison with someone like SON who plays as a LW but basically drifts centrally when on the ball. I mean I am surprised thats a point of contention that when we are in attack, werner is playing as an amalgamation of LW and LS rather than a traditional LW. Obviously its a different role. And most of the people are willing to give him the time. But thats not the point. You can play a different position and still do the basic things well. He is not. Also, you cant say he is not being used properly tactically to take a dig on FL when he has HAD to be used in this way due to the injuries to our wingers. No, its simply the fact that it makes no sense. If werner's finishing had been even "OKAY", then he would have had a goal in each of the game. He has definitely had oppurtunities, so I would say he IS being used quite well in the team given our injuries and that he is technically "playing out of position". Its not like he is simply crossing the ball, infact he finds himself at the end of crosses, it simply a fact that he is unable to finish them. If he takes his chances, would you still say there is "an issue of how werner is being used". Hell NO.

I can say the same thing. Its easy for you to say that the formation change would have worked, when it could have made things worse, with destabilizing our mid and defence along with our attack. And who is talking about accepting "the fate". Simply stating the fact, that was never going to be an easy fixture, regardless of the formation (given our injuries). Using that one point to beat down FL when it made lesser sense to change the formation is mindless. The 4-3-3 was working well because of the mid. And we had the same mid. Our attack has been hit and miss all season long. So I disagree with your point. What was my point of doubting FL? One game, after Soton. And who is it coming from? You simply attack FL or defend him as per your convenience.

FL persists with 4-3-3 because thats the formation which gets the best out of our current available midfielders and defence. Kova and Mount are not pivot players and will always struggle in a 2. Kante as a 6 and as a wall ahead of our defence makes us stronger and better defensively. In attack, irrespective of the formation, we would have struggled with our injuries. So you dont just forsake something which has worked so well for 17 consecutive games. We would have struggled in the everton game regardless. We have been struggling there for years and years. And if FL had changed the formation and lost, then people would have wanted his head for chopping and changing something that was working so well.

Its a team game. And players need to play accordingly and as a team. I had read an interview when we bought werner and he himself had said that he had liked FL's vision and did not want to be hen-pecked in just the CF role. We are without Ziyech, CHO just came back from injury, so what were/are our options out wide? Tammy? Giroud? Out of all available options, Werner is the best available option. Also, he is not playing as a traditional winger, definitely not staying out wide and simply supplying the width. If he was being asked to do THAT, it would have been wrong tactically. He is playing quite centrally and infact the same channels he used to love to play in Leipzig (between the FB and CB). Werner has been poor by his own standards and he himself admitted that. Stop making excuses and pinning them on FL when we literally dont have a better option. Werner's finishing is not on FL. He will take his own time to settle but there are positives but also negatives. Stop trying to hide his negatives and pin it on the manager.

Mendy Azpi zouma Silva Emerson Kova kante mount Ziyech/CHO Tammy pulisic Bench werner and keep Kai out of the team and we win this.

Criminal how under the radar Tammy has gone this season. I feel he has been our best striker so far. If puli and ziyech are fit, they should be flanking Tammy.

I thought our midfield instantly got better as soon as kante went to 6 and jorginho was subbed out. The trio of kova-kante-mount is industrious, has a ball carrier in kova, has a decent creator in mount and a wall in front of the defence in kante. Don't think the mid is the problem at all. I feel our attack has severely let us down so far. Let's be honest, werner could easily have had 2 goals last night, and he could easily be the top scorer in PL. Instead he is on a 8-9 game goalless streak. Puli has not been firing as you would expect him too, plus ziyech and puli injuries. Kai has been sub-sub-par. 4 of our best attackers have been poor or average at best.

Given the fixtures. That's 8 in the +ve

Ridiculous. 2 points away from 2nd. 6 points from 1st. Just ridiculous. Sack him, burn him, bury him alive. 😂😂😂

We will win this. Come on Chelsea

Over-reaction on here as usual. Job on the line... I wish every manager had a magic wand like we do on FIFA. Life would be so much easier. Also, win this and we will be 5th and just 2 points behind the 2nd placed Leicester. Lose this and we will be 9th. It just shows how close things are. One win and one loss should not decide the fate of FL. There have been a lot of positives to take from this season.