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Aguero was also world class on the ball. City's gulf of goals with Aguero was due to his ability on the ball and not relying on him making runs off of defenders with the odd chance he will score a goal.

It's quite telling when even Michael Carrick knows to put pressure on Alonso.

Again, it's difficult when you, me, my dog and my nan knew 120 hours before hand that United would stick 5 defenders in the box the entire match. Putting in balls against a wall of 6 foot defenders for Timo Werner to tap in? It's bizarre game management from Tuchel once again.

It's hard to create chances when your ST is nullified to run in behind the defence and the alternative is to have that ST try and join the build up when he isn't remotely good enough on the ball. Pulisic, although played RWB when he came on, looked far more dangerous when he came on because of his ability on the ball. These are the players you need against this type of opposition and in turn will allow us to create more chances. Both Lukaku and Werner are setting us back. No attacking player at City or Liverpool are as poor on the ball as those two.

We took the piss out of De Ligt and Bonucci with Pulisic up top yet made Lindelof and Baily look like Nesta and Maldini given Werner can't do anything with the ball.

Tuchel gave United arguably 70 minutes of easy defending with Werner on the pitch.

50 million for a ST who's best attribute is off the ball.

The only issue I had with the starting XI was Werner. In what sense did it make to start Werner against a wall of defenders that wouldn't dare venture out of their box? Pulisic at the very least was able to drive at the Juventus defenders with his close control and with the help of Ziyech and CHO it allowed the entire Juventus back line to panic. Lindelof's job was incredibly easy considering he had Werner in front of him the entire time and gave him no space to go in behind. There is a player virtually nullified for 70 minutes.

Shades of Lampard's tenure with us. I swear Tuchel has the ability to look completely brilliant and yet look completely clueless.

There is a lot wrong with Werner but being short isn't one of them.

Are we really blaming the linesman and United's shitehouse tactics? Attention needs to be focused on our player's mentality against arguably the worst Manchester United side in recent memory. 4 bloody years now.

Think it makes it even worse when we all knew it was coming.

Expecting us to fall off to third come January.

It's poor. It's so poor to the point where its concerning. 4 years now since we've beaten them at home. 8 years since we've beaten them at Old Trafford.

We can't beat United. Who are a small team.

A monkey could manage United and we'd still lose.

Think I've officially had it with Werner.

No end product Ruben? I'm surprised.

We've had three managers since we've last beaten them. Several times we've lost with performances like this against them. You shouldn't be.

Genuine question to everyone. Are you surprised?

Not the right decision in general tbh. You, me, my nan and my dog knew United would play a low block.

Really don't understand starting him.

Everything we've expected coming to fruition. Massive mental block against United. Haven't beaten them since the Conte days.

You have he and Werner petrified to take players on

Wrong game to start Werner.