Wayne Rooney

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Transfer probabilities: Rooney more likely to join Chelsea than stay

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/transfer-probabilities-rooney-more-likely-join-chelsea-stay-134525605.html

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Either of these solutions:

1. He doesn't really want to leave but doesn't exactly want to stay either, basically he is caught in 2 minds about his future

2. Maybe it is all happening behind the scene. Maybe MU told him to be quiet and he will be allowed to move after they found a replacement

3. His agent advices him to not rock the boat so MU will let him go eventually

4. It was a farce as many said, we don't even want him and just put a bid in public to unsettle him and MU so we didn't contact him

1. Pretty much public knowledge he wants to leave, People will say "yeh but Rooney hasn't said this publicly" True, but he also hasn't denied any stories of wanting to leave and join Chelsea either, no smoke without fire.

2. Sounds plausible, but I'd be more inclined to think he has been told if he has any chance of joining us, it'll be after the league game in August. (maybe this is why there is no TR, he knows he wont need one) And I said before I think he will not play

3. His agent will have definitely spoke to Utd's board to inform them Rooney wants out, obviously knows more than the media so you could be right with what you said

4. Definitely not, I wouldn't publicly confirm a bid for a player I don't want. That's just stupid. Mourinho loves Rooney, has done since he got interviewed at Madrid and said if Rooney ever wants to leave Utd, call me.

Rooney will probs play every game for Utd from August 6th (sweden?), get fit, then if he joins i reckon deadline day blockbuster

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Fuck this cunt, if he wanted to leave he would submit a transfer request. Just looking for another pay day.

£40m+ for someone who is earning £250k p/w, has been on a downward spiral these past couple of years, apparently wants out according to hacks and has only 2/3 years left at a high level.

We would be a disgrace to pay that amount, there's a reason no other club is the least bit interested in him.

Lukaku has the potential to become a beast with patience. I'd rather stick with him.

[JayC 171]

He did a good job at Everton but im not sure it was the miracle work a lot make out, Everton are usually around the 7th biggest spenders in the league and usually finish around 7th.

Without doubt, he kept Everton competitive with very limited resources. Everton remained highly consistent during his tenure, usually improving ever so slightly. It's a hard feat, believe me. His resources were nowhere near what you said by the way.

Now if you had said to me: "what has he won, in all those years?" Then you would have some basis for a potential weakness.

[JayC 171]

there's a reason no other club is the least bit interested in him.

Arsenal?

[HNKS 508]

Arsenal?

Pretty much set on Suarez aint they?

[The Skipper 20,593]

Fuck this cunt, if he wanted to leave he would submit a transfer request. Just looking for another pay day.

£40m+ for someone who is earning £250k p/w, has been on a downward spiral these past couple of years, apparently wants out according to hacks and has only 2/3 years left at a high level.

We would be a disgrace to pay that amount, there's a reason no other club is the least bit interested in him.

Lukaku has the potential to become a beast with patience. I'd rather stick with him.

Well, Mourinho wants Rooney so are you calling him a disgrace as well?

[JayC 171]

Pretty much set on Suarez aint they?

I'm pretty sure Wenger said himself they could afford Rooney, and want him. I think their main target is Suarez now though, but they'd want Rooney too if he did become available.

A problem with both moves is Rooney's ego. Will he be happy enough at Arsenal? I doubt they'll be winning a CL anytime soon. Then there is Chelsea - he wouldn't be the best player there and a good chance he will have to compete for a place.

[Tomo 21,733]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

[Barbara 15,149]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho's fan out there. I've followed his work for the past 9 yeas - although I was lucky he only managed teams I support -and he will always have my support. It doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does, like everyone else - he just does it less than the next guy

That said, if Rooney comes (I really hope he doesn't), let's hope Mourinho isn't wrong on his assessment. I wouldn't even write it off that he doesn't have a real interest in Rooney and is just playing mind games because it doesn't make sense in my head that out of all the strikers in the world Mourinho seems so adamant about Rooney of all people. So maybe he's just trying to weaken a new manager in the biggest competition because when has Mourinho last been so clear and open about a signing? If this guy was the next (or current) big deal on football I'd get it, but Rooney? What's about Wayne Rooney that could make Mourinho behave like that? It has mind games written all over and maybe behind it there's a slight interest. But I think his main goal with this saga is weaken ManUtd and Moyes.

If he really has an interest though, I guess he's coming from what I've said before: he must be really confident on his management skills and Rui Faria's magic in the physical training if he thinks that Rooney is what Chelsea need now. We need a striker, that's for sure. The best names are unavailable (Falcao, Lewa, Cavani). I think it's risky, maybe not as risky as Torres was back then, but risky nonetheless and Mourinho knows it, which is why I'm convinced he's mainly looking for weakening one of his strongest opposition - that already is in a odd/new situation to say the least.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Most likely we won't get him - we haven't made a 2nd bid, he has done nothing to indicate he wants to leave. And Utd expect him back in training in August, just doesn't feel like anything is happening.

Oh well, i've already resigned to having Torres, Lukaku and Ba till at least January.

[HNKS 508]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

Sell Torres profit?

[wj818 25]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho's fan out there. I've followed his work for the past 9 yeas - although I was lucky he only managed teams I support -and he will always have my support. It doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does, like everyone else - he just does it less than the next guy

That said, if Rooney comes (I really hope he doesn't), let's hope Mourinho isn't wrong on his assessment. I wouldn't even write it off that he doesn't have a real interest in Rooney and is just playing mind games because it doesn't make sense in my head that out of all the strikers in the world Mourinho seems so adamant about Rooney of all people. So maybe he's just trying to weaken a new manager in the biggest competition because when has Mourinho last been so clear and open about a signing? If this guy was the next (or current) big deal on football I'd get it, but Rooney? What's about Wayne Rooney that could make Mourinho behave like that? It has mind games written all over and maybe behind it there's a slight interest. But I think his main goal with this saga is weaken ManUtd and Moyes.

If he really has an interest though, I guess he's coming from what I've said before: he must be really confident on his management skills and Rui Faria's magic in the physical training if he thinks that Rooney is what Chelsea need now. We need a striker, that's for sure. The best names are unavailable (Falcao, Lewa, Cavani). I think it's risky, maybe not as risky as Torres was back then, but risky nonetheless and Mourinho knows it, which is why I'm convinced he's mainly looking for weakening one of his strongest opposition - that already is in a odd/new situation to say the least.

I kinda agree with you. It's like killing two birds with one stone. Not only you get a decent striker (which we are in need of) but also will lower Utd's morale. IMO I think the priority is in the latter one.

[bluesman2610 1,341]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

being reported 4yr 220k

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Mirror Saying utd wont sell him to us, the fail saying we're going back in with the much speculated 2nd bid to the tune of £30 mill... They know fuck all the lot of them

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Mirror Saying utd wont sell him to us, the fail saying we're going back in with the much speculated 2nd bid to the tune of £30 mill... They know fuck all the lot of them

both mention a 2nd bid, which is obvious. Mourinho said in one of the papers the striker he wants doesnt cost 50m and he can spend up to 30m (i think) without affecting the balance at all. So obviously anything over 30m, puts us X amount down in our projected balance. IE: Rooney for 40m, means we have to make 10m somewhere to get us back to our target for this financial year. Saying Utd will sell him abroad probably IS their preferred choice. As would ours be if say Utd and Madrid wanted Oscar, id much rather give him to madrid than utd

[Peace. 4,352]

Hey Peace. Thanks for the thought provoking and balanced argument. You made a lot of valid points and I can't say I disagree enough to send you back an argument of equal quality. At least you can still admit that he's still a good player unlike others who don't want Rooney.

You're right in basically saying that Wayne won't get any better - that Wayne peaked early. I don't disagree with that. What I do disagree with though is the notion that he's basically "over-the-hill". What I personally see in Wayne is a very talented player that is frustrated at not being allowed to play in the best circumstances and we at Chelsea potentially have the right environment for him to excel. He's a player that when fit, motivated and under the right roof is easily a top 5 player in the world. I still believe he's in his peak but just had a season that didn't go his way last year.

You bring in the Villa, Pirlo, Xavi and Lampard arguments and they're all very plausible but to me Wayne's situation is different. The players you've mentioned above are all above 31 whilst Wayne is just 27 and clearly has still got plenty of top level football left in him. You are correct in saying that he's somewhat lost his power/pace from his youth days but it doesn't matter if we were to sign him. If we needed a striker that brought pace to the table because there is a lot of space in behind the defence and in between the lines - we'd just play Lukaku, simple.

However, knowing that that won't be the case for the majority of our games, a striker who can play in tight spaces and bring in other players is invaluable and Wayne is one of the best in the world in that aspect hence why it would be a great signing. Wayne is very strong technically, has a great first touch, and doesn't get bullied off the ball easily at all. He's also got a knack of finding himself in the right place at the right time. When Rooney's at his best he's unstoppable. He'll win you games. That's why I believe he'd be a great signing for us because he does offer something different at a high quality level.

I also want to say this - Rooney is still very mobile as a player even if he has lost a little bit if pace and power. He's not like Villa for example who you could definitely say is in decline because of career threatening injuries he's suffered late into his career - the same can't be said about Wayne's who has still got at least 3/4 years left at the top. He's still at a moderate stage in his career.

Like I said before, I still think he's in his peak. Even when he does decline, it would be a steady decline - he'd still prove to be a very valuable player because he doesn't rely on that pace/power unlike Torres.

Again, Rooney would be a fantastic signing because it would truly go a long way to us having a versatile squad which will allow us to be far more unpredictable thus giving Jose more options. If we get him for around the ~£30m it will be an astute transfer for a world class striker.

Thanks I'll only reply you in regards of the following quotes, if it doesn't bother you !

"What I personally see in Wayne is a very talented player that is frustrated at not being allowed to play in the best circumstances and we at Chelsea potentially have the right environment for him to excel. He's a player that when fit, motivated and under the right roof is easily a top 5 player in the world."

While I definitely agree that if Rooney gains back his motivation and fitness, he would then be among the very best players in the world at the moment ; I am less optimistic than a lot of people regarding the probability of him regaining this fitness and this motivation. To my eyes, it is a big if. While reading throughout this thread, I saw a lot of comments implying that basically, the change of team and the Mourinho effect will be enough for him to regain his motivation. However, that's not as simple as saying "hello" ; the Mourinho effect is kinda overrated into my eyes — he is an excellent motivator, though he isn't the King Midas of the motivation.

I do not believe that Rooney's loss of form (let's call it this way, so we don't enter the "on decline / not on decline" debate in this part) comes from the fact he is a big baby who's sulking because he's frustrated and jealous of not being Ferguson's darling number one anymore. I believe that the origins of this frustration, this loss of motivation and of fitness, root deeper than the sole bad temper of the player.

We gotta take into consideration that despite his relatively young age, Rooney has already 11 seasons at the top level behind him ; nine at Manchester United and two at Everton. To that you can add World Cups and three European Cups. It does represent 479 matches for clubs, and 83 for his country. Moreover, if my memory serves my right, he has been involved heavily with the starting eleven right from the start, as suggests us his 77 appeareances in his two first footballing seasons at Everton, and this basically at the age of ~ 18. He's a player who peaked and fulfilled his development pretty early. When you are on top of your game for seven or eight years, there comes a time when your body is washed-out. That's a lot of strain put to your body. Furthermore, Rooney has never been know to be a big partisan of fitness and he seems to be initially "big boned", which put even more strain on your body. And I deeply believe that because of this, he will never be able to be as fit as he was. I just think that his physical capability has toned down of one level — which is something absolutely normal in my opinion (and in the light of what I just said). However, he might reach a level of fitness not far from his very best, though he will have to put in a lot of work — and for this he has to be motivated once again.

As for the motivation, I don't know... When I look at him, he kinda reminds me of someone who's depressed — as if he was going through his midlife crisis ( laugh out loud ). The way we see him regularly sulking... The way he has taken United into hostage twice because of a supposedly lack of ambition from the club ; and now he is irritated because he isn't the number one anymore... To me it looks like he is searching his feet ; he understands that he isn't the same anymore, and he find it hard to accept this very fact. In other words, I don't think that giving him a new sportive challenge will have any significant effect upon his motivation. As a matter of fact, I deeply believe that giving him a fresh motivation won't be that easy, not at all.

I might sound all doom and gloom regarding his future, but that's not the case. I am not saying he is good for ending up his career right now. I simply believe that to have a near-his-best Rooney will require more than a few pats on the head given by Mourinho and a "you're the best my sweet little Wayny".

The bottom line is that I am not saying he won't nor he will regain his motivation (and fitness), but that it won't be an easy task. It's merely food for thoughts.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Well, Mourinho wants Rooney so are you calling him a disgrace as well?

Mou also wanted Quaresma, Boulahrouz, Adebayor and a broken down Essien. He's fallible just like any other human being.

Let Emenalo deal with transfer dealings he's done a remarkable job these past couple of years.