The Ancelotti Thread

[spuz 143]

Sack him at the end of the season and bring in the right man. I can honestly say that Scolari and Ancelotti were not my choice of managers and Grant definately wasn't !!

Keep Carlo for now as he's here to win the CL,which we're still in. Get rid in the summer,I don't think he has that much longer left on his contract. Roman wised up by giving him a smaller contract than previous managers.

Let's make sure we get the right man in this summer,that's key. Since Jose the choices have been poor.

[pachman40 357]

OK so I won't come on here and blast this whole thread as useless and ridiculous because its been pointed out how many "good points" are being made here. Can we please bottom line all this analysis and get to the meat of the issue? People here are impatient and think we should be doing better than we are with the talent available.

Apparently Carlo doesn't know what he's doing, is clueless, can't motivate, and doesn't know how to use the assets at his disposal to their full advantage. I'd like to point out that on February 1st, 2011 Carlo was just as bad of a manager yet everyone was full of hope, everyone could see us blasting through the remainder of the season, everyone liked the "new direction" of the club, everyone was kissing Roman's feet for opening his pursestrings, everyone was LOOKING FORWARD to the Liverpool game cuz losing was unfathomable. Why? Ask yourselves that question and ask yourselves what has changed in the last 7 days aside from losing to a bitter hated rival? Then you will all see that this thread is more about how painful and demeaning it was to lose to Liverpool as opposed to if we should sack Carlo now.

There have been valid points made and we all know Carlo has weaknesses but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. We have the exact same chances of winning the CL as we did on Feb 1 and make no mistake if we get "lucky enough" to win the CL then all the members who don't want a lowly "cup manager" will be the ones out there proudly waving our colours and keeping the blue flag flying high. I'm not saying we're going to win it but lets keep this all in perspective please.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

I say let Carlo's reigns last as long as his contract runs, which ends in 2012 - then he would have been given a large peroid of time to build a Chelsea side that could fit into his plans. Carlo has stated many things what he wants to do after his tenure with Chelsea - including becoming Italy or England manager, or even retiring at Chelsea (saying he wants to be here for a decade). Carlo was brought in for stability, and has yet, in my opinion, made his own mark on the team. Most of the players we discuss we signed before he was at Stamford Bridge, and i am sure the players he has signed, and will sign will become a large role for the future managers of Chelsea as did the Mourinho era signings have for him.

We have the smallest squad in the league, and instead of getting rid of Carlo and adding another manager - maybe we should be adding to the actuall squad instead.

[neel 257]

Carlo has his demerits. I agree . But think about few matches in the past.

1. Game against newcastle : Kalou missed a sitter which is unacceptable at this level

2. Game against Spur: Drogba missed penalty at injury time. Unlucky

3. Game against Everton: we conceded at injury time.

4. Game against Aston villa : Again we conceded at injury time.

None of these is Carlo's fault. If we were little bit more lucky and competent then we can gain 8 more points and could have 2nd spot at this point of time. I don't know whether Carlo is the right person to make a dynasty here. But He deserves a chance.

[Luke 60]

If we sacked Carlo, who would we bring in? The grass isnt always greener, we learnt that when Jose was sacked.

[Madmax 9,219]

He is in a no win situation. If he plays the youth and results suffer, it's his fault for giving them too much responsibility. If he continues with the established order and results suffer, it's his fault he can't motivate them. Basically there will be grumblings if we lose, no matter if the youth play or not. If he plays the same first eleven every week and we win every game, nobody will complain.

[Henrique 9,133]

Wait, Carlo was playing? Isn't he too old for that?

I hope you know that it just doesnt make sense. When won the double last season because of him, now the "bad spell" is because of the players...:goodpost:

He is in a no win situation. If he plays the youth and results suffer, it's his fault for giving them too much responsibility. If he continues with the established order and results suffer, it's his fault he can't motivate them. Basically there will be grumblings if we lose, no matter if the youth play or not. If he plays the same first eleven every week and we win every game, nobody will complain.

This argument also dosent make sense: "you cant give the youngster too much responsabilty". It can be aplied to every young player in every big club in the world. Pedro started a World Cup final, because Torres was having a fucking awful tournament. If Carlo was the manager I bet Pedro wouldnt had started one single game. There is only one good argument to let Carlo stay until the end of his contract: the money we would pay to him.

[Madmax 9,219]

This argument also dosent make sense: "you cant give the youngster too much responsabilty". It can be aplied to every young player in every big club in the world. Pedro started a World Cup final, because Torres was having a fucking awful tournament. If Carlo was the manager I bet Pedro wouldnt had started one single game. There is only one good argument to let Carlo stay until the end of his contract: the money we would pay to him.

Yes sure let's compare the English league to the World Cup. That makes so much sense

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yes sure let's compare the English league to the World Cup. That makes so much sense

But you must understand his point? Example; Lampard was poor on Sunday, lost the ball a lot and couldn't keep up the pace. Why did Carlo not recognise this and throw on Josh? Especially when we went a goal down. He would've been the most logical replacement. Just imagine he was 19 (since age is a big factor for some people) and take into account his skill and maturity levels

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

I hate these stupid fucking moron threads... we lose one game and it's a disaster... get real, it fucking happens :moaning:

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I hate these stupid fucking moron threads... we lose one game and it's a disaster... get real, it fucking happens :moaning:

I urge you read the points please.

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

Points taken and IMO Bullshit. What the fuck are we? Real Madrid, sacking a manager every season, no thanks give him a chance and he will grow into this job even more... This is mental, if we beat Fulham 4-0 on Monday you'll be calling him King Carlo etc etc... so fickle

[Madmax 9,219]

But you must understand his point? Example; Lampard was poor on Sunday, lost the ball a lot and couldn't keep up the pace. Why did Carlo not recognise this and throw on Josh? Especially when we went a goal down. He would've been the most logical replacement. Just imagine he was 19 (since age is a big factor for some people) and take into account his skill and maturity levels

I understand the point of giving youth a chance when they couldn't be doing any worse than the regulars. But it will only take one bad performance from them to get people on their backs. Then people will say 'oh why is he playing kids when we need the experience of that other guy.' It's a thankless job - that was what I was pointing out. Example - Torres wasn't exactly playing well so Carlo brought on Kalou. And he got stick for that. But he would've gotten stick even if he had kept Torres on because then people would have said he's playing people who're not cutting it.

He brought Josh on in that Villa away game in October. Josh almost gave away 3 points when Reo Cocker nicked the ball off him in injury time and went through on goal but fortunately fluffed his shot. Would Josh and Carlo have escaped criticism had the guy scored? No. We wouldn't hear the end of how he lost us the game.

[bababoom 4,478]

I'll say we should keep him atleast untill his contract expires. But it would be nice having Jose here again...one can only dream. . I dont think Guardiola is a bad choice either i bet he would be able to turn our youth academy players into stars, also he likes to play good football, and thats always a plus.

[Madmax 9,219]

I urge you read the points please.

You're unwilling to listen to equally pertinent points made by me and the rest of us who want him to stay.

Nobody will deny that the guy has made mistakes. But he really isn't as clueless and useless as some are painting him out to be.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You're unwilling to listen to equally pertinent points made by me and the rest of us who want him to stay.

Nobody will deny that the guy has made mistakes. But he really isn't as clueless and useless as some are painting him out to be.

No I'm simply addressing those who come in this thread without reading the points first and understanding this isn't knee-jerking.

I even thought the notion of sacking Carlo was invalid, but having read the points I see where they're coming from. My point of view depends on when we rebuild the squad. I'd like Carlo to stay until then because when the time comes for rebuilding I'd like our next long-term manager to have his squad. With this squad, I want Carlo here.

I understand the point of giving youth a chance when they couldn't be doing any worse than the regulars. But it will only take one bad performance from them to get people on their backs. Then people will say 'oh why is he playing kids when we need the experience of that other guy.' It's a thankless job - that was what I was pointing out. Example - Torres wasn't exactly playing well so Carlo brought on Kalou. And he got stick for that. But he would've gotten stick even if he had kept Torres on because then people would have said he's playing people who're not cutting it.

He brought Josh on in that Villa away game in October. Josh almost gave away 3 points when Reo Cocker nicked the ball off him in injury time and went through on goal but fortunately fluffed his shot. Would Josh and Carlo have escaped criticism had the guy scored? No. We wouldn't hear the end of how he lost us the game.

I actually wasn't fussed about Kalou for Torres by the way

But even with the Villa example I don't think anyone would've looked to Josh as being responsible. We would've appreciated him trying something new and positive for the club in the direction we want them to head. I know in hindsight this seems a bit fake, but I genuinely believe this

if we beat Fulham 4-0 on Monday you'll be calling him King Carlo etc etc... so fickle

Sigh, no.

We are not plastic fans. This thread is proof of this..

[Madmax 9,219]

But even with the Villa example I don't think anyone would've looked to Josh as being responsible. We would've appreciated him trying something new and positive for the club in the direction we want them to head. I know in hindsight this seems a bit fake, but I genuinely believe this

Yeah but you only need to look at the general doubting that followed Kakuta's first few performances where he didn't do anything special.

[Kostas 1,468]

Gotta love the attempts to ruin what started as an excellent thread.

[Madmax 9,219]

Gotta love people trying to be smart while having nothing concrete to contribute.

[Henrique 9,133]

Gotta love people trying to be smart while having nothing concrete to contribute.

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