The Ancelotti Thread

[Henrique 9,133]

Stop calling yourself Chelsea fans if u don't know what does it mean.

Thats stupid.

Good post. He is a very poor manager and it's being exposed with every passing week.

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This is ridiculous. It took SAF 6-8 years to win the league when he managed Manchester United. Do you think they would be half the club they are at the moment had the board decided to sack him? No, they were patient, and as we can see, they're one of the biggest clubs in Europe. CA's already won the league in his debut season, and there's potential for plenty more, but some years we're not going to win, that's just the truth.

I have to say, us fans have become spoilt over the years. How are we ever going to come close to winning a lot of trophies if we keep sacking our managers for mediocre runs?

This argument doenst work here. When SAF arrived in Manchester they did not invested loads of money on players and wages. If we were Everton I would agree with you. When you buy a player that is worth 30 millions for 50 then this long term talk just doesnt make sense. Im sure that when Roman decided to spend big again in this window he wasnt thinking about letting Carlo here for 6-8 years witouth big glories.

And you cant use glorys from the past to talk about long term. Maybe Carlo was good enough to won the double last years, but maybe he is not good enough to be a long term manager. His record with Milan indicates he's not.

[Styles 9,790]

:worship: I'd call us 2 of the more sensible posters on here. :D

Well we did have all these youngsters that were going to be given a chance, remember?

Carlo wouldn't play the kids because he is a coward. The most useful one was shipped out to Bolton and he scored two goals in two games, it shows how poor his judgement is.

[Styles 9,790]

This argument doenst work here. When SAF arrived in Manchester they did not invested loads of money on players and wages. If we were Everton I would agree with you. When you buy a player that is worth 30 millions for 50 then this long term talk just doesnt make sense. Im sure that when Roman decided to spend big again in this window he wasnt thinking about letting Carlo here for 6-8 years witouth big glories.

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They think it's acceptable to have the highest wage bil in English football, some of the best players in the world and still be struggling in 4th place and no hope of winning the league. This is a crazy way of looking at the situation.

[spuz 143]

Carlo wouldn't play the kids because he is a coward. The most useful one was shipped out to Bolton and he scored two goals in two games, it shows how poor his judgement is.

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Carlo knows best though. Should have loaned out Drogba to a league 2 team. Don't forget though that Sturridge is too young (according to people on here) he's only 21 after all,so can't be good enough. Josh isn't ready either,he's only 17,even though he's looked ready enough whenever he's played.

Because they are YOUNGSTERS!

And you call yourself sensible?

So youngsters shouldn't play then? Seems like a not too sensible game plan there.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

So youngsters shouldn't play then? Seems like a not too sensible game plan there.

Youngsters, or the Youth, should be slowly molded into the first team as they develop with the different styles of play between Reserve and competetive first team. To just play a youth player off the bat just because there is a small amount of choices would/could damage their development and even pyschological stand in the game.

That's like putting a baby as a king of a country.

[Henrique 9,133]

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Carlo knows best though. Should have loaned out Drogba to a league 2 team. Don't forget though that Sturridge is too young (according to people on here) he's only 21 after all,so can't be good enough. Josh isn't ready either,he's only 17,even though he's looked ready enough whenever he's played.

So youngsters shouldn't play then? Seems like a not too sensible game plan there.

If Pedro was a Chelsea player, we would have loaned him to Ajax.

[Styles 9,790]

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Carlo knows best though. Should have loaned out Drogba to a league 2 team. Don't forget though that Sturridge is too young (according to people on here) he's only 21 after all,so can't be good enough. Josh isn't ready either,he's only 17,even though he's looked ready enough whenever he's played.

Josh is technically better than both Essien and Ramires.

Serious question - is anybody worried by Essien? Technically not good with the ball and losing his athleticism with serious knee injuries. Maybe it's time to start thinking about selling him.

[spuz 143]

Youngsters, or the Youth, should be slowly molded into the first team as they develop with the different styles of play between Reserve and competetive first team. To just play a youth player off the bat just because there is a small amount of choices would/could damage their development and even pyschological stand in the game.

That's like putting a baby as a king of a country.

No.It's football. If Carlo introduces them any slower they'll stop in their tracks. Josh has some experience this season,it's not a youth name just randomly thrown into the team.

Josh is technically better than both Essien and Ramires.

Serious question - is anybody worried by Essien? Technically not good with the ball and losing his athleticism with serious knee injuries. Maybe it's time to start thinking about selling him.

I think he should be used on the right of midfield. He can run down there get crosses in and not balls it up in the middle.I don't know what's up with him,but then again what's up with the whole team these days.

[Kostas 1,468]

If I had to pick I'd be with the Carlo out bunch because they make too many sensible points which are being ignored or countered by arguements which a little more than wishful thinking.

However I'm so bloody sick of this discussion I can't be bothered any more. We've examined Ancelotti's pros and cons before so this is really just rehearsing old stuff.

So my opinion is:

Do I want Ancelotti to be sacked ? No

Do I believe he deserves to be sacked ? Yes

Might not make sense but it is what it is.

[Styles 9,790]

I think he should be used on the right of midfield. He can run down there get crosses in and not balls it up in the middle.I don't know what's up with him,but then again what's up with the whole team these days.

He doesn't seem to be able to play a precise and quick passing game which is what we need in midfield. He is a good runner with energy but technically he is not a good midfielder. Right midfield does seem to be his best position but really it's by default because he isn't competent anywhere else but DM and Mikel is better there imo.

[Kojo 4,676]

Serious question - is anybody worried by Essien? Technically not good with the ball and losing his athleticism with serious knee injuries. Maybe it's time to start thinking about selling him.

Damnit, my favourite Chelsea player, yes i have to admit Essien has not been the same whn he came back from his injury. I hope he does get better though. I remember the match where Chelsea beat Arsenal 2-0, Essien played brilliantly.

[Styles 9,790]

If I had to pick I'd be with the Carlo out bunch because they make too many sensible points which are being ignored or countered by arguements which a little more than wishful thinking.

However I'm so bloody sick of this discussion I can't be bothered any more. We've examined Ancelotti's pros and cons before so this is really just rehearsing old stuff.

So my opinion is:

Do I want Ancelotti to be sacked ? No

Do I believe he deserves to be sacked ? Yes

Might not make sense but it is what it is.

Of course he deserves to be sacked, look at how poor the team is playing and it's gone on far too long.

Why don't you want him sacked? If a player is playing poorly with no signs of improvement the logical thing to do is count your losses and move him on. Why doesn't the same apply to managers? Where does this blind loyalty come from? This is a results business and the club has invested far too much to have a manager this bad wasting talent.

[Badboy 1,526]

Josh is technically better than both Essien and Ramires.

Serious question - is anybody worried by Essien? Technically not good with the ball and losing his athleticism with serious knee injuries. Maybe it's time to start thinking about selling him.

Bing back the minus please Alex i really want to eat up his reputation.

[spuz 143]

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So my opinion is:

Do I want Ancelotti to be sacked ? No

Do I believe he deserves to be sacked ? Yes

Might not make sense but it is what it is.

I'm the same.He's a great man. I love his quietness,rather than the controversy and hatred Mourinho brought. But this is Chelsea FC, not team Ancelotti FC. I support Chelsea not Carlo. At the moment he's ruining us with clueless tactics all the time. In an ideal world I want him to win the treble every year and be named the greatest manager ever.

[zolayes 14,489]

If I had to pick I'd be with the Carlo out bunch because they make too many sensible points which are being ignored or countered by arguements which a little more than wishful thinking.

However I'm so bloody sick of this discussion I can't be bothered any more. We've examined Ancelotti's pros and cons before so this is really just rehearsing old stuff.

So my opinion is:

Do I want Ancelotti to be sacked ? No

Do I believe he deserves to be sacked ? Yes

Might not make sense but it is what it is.

Get worried when I agree with you, I don't join in these knee jerk after defeat discussions ....

and transfer speculation is as bad.

[Styles 9,790]

Bing back the minus please Alex i really want to eat up his reputation.

Of course you would disagree.

The truth is he has been in bad form for the last few months and doesn't look the player he once was. He has damaged the cruciate ligament in both knees. It is difficult to be the same player having damaged one let alone two.

[Badboy 1,526]

I just think this is a little silly, if we bring in another manager we will be back to square one again. I am sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Essien are sick and tired of seeing different managers come and go with different tactical needs and formations its fucking annoying for me imagine what its like for the player ?

[Term-X 7,891]

If I had to pick I'd be with the Carlo out bunch because they make too many sensible points which are being ignored or countered by arguements which a little more than wishful thinking.

However I'm so bloody sick of this discussion I can't be bothered any more. We've examined Ancelotti's pros and cons before so this is really just rehearsing old stuff.

So my opinion is:

Do I want Ancelotti to be sacked ? No

Do I believe he deserves to be sacked ? Yes

Might not make sense but it is what it is.

Good post.

[termninja 5,290]

I don't agree with Ancelotti's moves sometimes but I wouldn't like him to get sacked. Last season he was really good and I was amazed with the kind of football we played. As I said in the previous post, letting a few older players leave and bringing a few younger ones could show us a pretty different Chelsea. I have faith, and so should you. Do you guys think Roman wouldn't sack Carlo if he didn't have faith in him?

I do have to say that playing Malouda/Anelka/Drogba constantly I really didn't like when he had Sturrigde and Kakuta on the bench. It's not about not playing the regularly but not giving them chances. Even when he gave Sturrigde his chance and he performed well he wouldn't start in the next match, instead we would see Kalou sub Anelka/Malouda. Also, you can't expect Drogba to play every match like he did and perform well when he is 32 years old. I have this feel when it was like that our front 3 always need to start a match, instead of ending up on the bench if they didn't perform well.

I understand that he didn't give Bruma alot of chances because he's a defender and Carlo's chair was pretty hot, but remember that match against Sunderland? We all know what happened.

But also, we cannot know what's happening behind the field. Perhaps there is some quarrel between the players, perhaps they don't like Ancelotti I really don't know. Sometimes we really aren't lucky and our opposition always playing well against us and afterwards playing badly against other clubs.

It is not nice of you guys to start criticizing our team or Carlo as soon as we have a bad result.

We lost today. Carlo had a good idea of putting Torres in starting 11 because of his motivation, but it was a risk, a risk he decided to take and it backfired, but I also think that our other players disappointed. The match was so slow, kinda like everyone was forced on the field to play. Drogba? I don't think I've seen him. Mikel? To many mistakes for a 1st time regular. Bosingwa? Terrible crosses, but he tried at least. Ivanovic? Extremely nervous, just look at the quarrel with Cech at the end of 1st half.

Overall I think the pressure has gotten to our players and that we should concentrate on the match against Fulham.

What I think should happen is Torres starting next match and Drogba dropping on the bench. Why? Torres has a point to prove and Drogba hasn't been himself some time now. I think Carlo should show him that if he wants to start a match he should start bombarding those nets...

Alot of things can happen 'till the summer...

[Styles 9,790]

Get worried when I agree with you, I don't join in these knee jerk after defeat discussions ....

and transfer speculation is as bad.

This isn't knee-jerk at all. I could have made this topic anytime over the last 3-4 months. We're on course for our lowest points tally in god knows how long. We've had our worst run of form in 14 years. For a club with our objectives and aims this isn't good enough.