🇧🇷 Ramires

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Ramires is ahead of three of the 4 you've listed. M'Vila is an FM god and nothing else. Modric is a rich man's Mikel. Yaya is a monster though. Mourinho has always valued energy in midfield over technical ability. Modric, to him, will be nothing but a distraction. He loves packing his teams with guys like Muntari, Mariga from his Inter days, Essien, Geremi from his Chelsea days. He's always been about industry and versatility in midfield. I imagine he see's a glut of playmakers as an aberration that must be destroyed.

Technique is overrated, and Mourinho recognises this. There's no point in buying technically great players because you look over at Barcelona and no matter who you sign they're still laughing at your midfield technical ability. If you want to beat Barcelona, physique is where its at and Ramires has a bigger engine than the 4 of them combined. He's the perfect, typical Mourinho signing. He is far from unnecessary, players who can cover more than 10 km a game and keep it up for months without needing a rest are very rare. Barcelona don't have anyone comparable to Ramires in terms of sheer athleticism. Instead they have wankers like Busquets who play at centre back and have the speed of an oil tanker resulting in quicker players doing this to them:

Stick him alongside a good passer like Alonso and win La Liga. It's that simple. The only problem from Mourinho's perspective is we are Chelsea, not Arsenal or Tottenham or Manchester United, we don't sell our players unless we want to. Real Madrid can offer 80 million pounds for Juan Mata or whatever and our resident Nigerian technical director will instantly put that fax in the recycling bin. That and Roman Abramovich would send him off to his evil mountain lair in Siberia if he ever dared to submit a bid for one of Roman's players

Your ideals of winning by playing 'attractively' (before you jump in saying "I never said that", it is implied by your preference for playmakers vs. athletes) will never come to fruition. Real Madrid will always remain behind Barcelona, until La Masia goes on a drought in producing first teamers, Lionel Messi stops being the best player in the world and Barcelona do not adequately replace their ageing players like Puyol and Xavi. It's highly unlikely that the three factors come to pass simultaneously, for that reason there is absolutely no way Real can play possession football and still beat Barcelona to trophies. And for that reason Real will continue down the Mourinho blueprint of buying engines not footballers. Better get used to supporting 'anti-football' every single Clasico.

Brilliant post in general Cap,..just disagree with the fact that Barcelona can be beaten ONLY by playing ugly.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Brilliant post in general Cap,..just disagree with the fact that Barcelona can be beaten ONLY by playing ugly.

I don't think anyone's had much success, particularly in the Champions League, beating them any other way:

2008 Man United knocked them out by playing defensively.

2009 Chelsea ...'lost'... but still played with a very defensive mindset and only conceded one in 180 minutes.

2010 Inter knocked them out by counter attacking and then defending for their lives.

2012 We knocked them out by defending for our lives.

[francozola 2,040]

Listen children and ladies, this is quite entertaining but it is getting a bit sad.

Im dealing with a handful of narrowminded, fickle, sensitive, lost souls here.

Ramires is irrelevent and to simply state it, id vomit at the idea of madrid bringing someone as unnecessary to bring as him to madrid. There are better options. For chelsea he has been good, but not world class and that is that.

For all those who dont understand, then all you can do is deal with it right?

Javi Martinez

Yaya Toure

Luka Modric

Yaan Mvila

id prefer all of them over ramires.

What the fuck is your problem? This is a CHELSEA FC forum, why are you even here? I didn't mind your posts in the RM thread, I quite enjoyed them tbh but the way you're talking about some of our players is annoying and all your "if RM wants player X we'll get him" bullshit is also agitating. We know Real are one of - if not the biggest club in the world but we don't need to see your posts implying the same thing over and over again.

Again, this is a Chelsea forum, so you'll obviously see some biasness towards our own players. We don't need an outsider to come and criticize our viewpoints every single time.

You said in another post that sometimes you're just trolling us but your constant smileys and "deal with it buddy"s and "my argument is logical and yours is flawed" nonsense is getting on my fucking nerves.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

I don't think anyone's had much success, particularly in the Champions League, beating them any other way:

2008 Man United knocked them out by playing defensively.

2009 Chelsea ...'lost'... but still played with a very defensive mindset and only conceded one in 180 minutes.

2010 Inter knocked them out by counter attacking and then defending for their lives.

2012 We knocked them out by defending for our lives.

Barcelona pre-Guardiola, could be beaten otherwise...during Guardiola's time Arsenal did do it, at least once. Admittedly they were lucky with Barca not making the most of their chances (but that's not unusual is it?) but I'm positive if Arse had a better back 4 they could have done more.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

What the fuck is your problem? This is a CHELSEA FC forum, why are you even here? I didn't mind your posts in the RM thread, I quite enjoyed them tbh but the way you're talking about some of our players is annoying and all your "if RM wants player X we'll get him" bullshit is also agitating. We know Real are one of - if not the biggest club in the world but we don't need to see your posts implying the same thing over and over again.

Again, this is a Chelsea forum, so you'll obviously see some biasness towards our own players. We don't need an outsider to come and criticize our viewpoints every single time.

You said in another post that sometimes you're just trolling us but your constant smileys and "deal with it buddy"s are getting on my fucking nerves.

When i troll i admit it, but this time i have posted logical arguments and have gotten childish and angry replies which have provoked me into having fun with them.

Ive done nothing wrong really, its just the narrow mindedness. You can back track to all my posts and they all make sense. They get ugly and sometimes VERY UGLY when i talk to guys like davidson, orange banana or whatever that guys name is, spieg dudly, i cant even recall their names..point is,i like my own posts but they get ugly because they get controversial with your paradigm and thats undeniable. i understand your point and the real madrid thing might be pushing it, but its not my fault entirely.

Narrow mindedness and inmaturity exists in great amounts in several users here.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Barcelona pre-Guardiola, could be beaten otherwise...during Guardiola's time Arsenal did do it, at least once. Admittedly they were lucky with Barca not making the most of their chances (but that's not unusual is it?) but I'm positive if Arse had a better back 4 they could have done more.

Barcelona have been un top of every team in the world since guardiola's era.

This year they had a bad year, and madrid a good one, but chelsea got lucky barcelona didnt put in their chances.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I don't know what you mean by narrow minded but I would rather have Ramires than Modric in my team. But then I'm in the "don't sign Hulk leave Ramires on the right wing" camp, which means there may be a place for perhaps M'Vila to serve as a backup for Lampard in centre midfield.

But then we've already got Romeu, McEachran, Meireles and Essien and Malouda (lol) waiting on the bench. 8 players who can play at centre midfield is too many for just 2 positions. 6 is probably a bit too much, as well, but we'll have quite a few extra games next season so I guess we could use the depth. The main argument against signing a new centre midfielder is that Lampard and Mikel, off the back of their recent few months, deserve to be among the first names on the teamsheet. They also work well together, and if we bring in someone expensive then that'll mean either Mikel or Lampard will be undeservingly sent to the bench. There's no need for backups either as we have 8 who can play there and only 2 available positions.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Barcelona have been un top of every team in the world since guardiola's era.

This year they had a bad year, and madrid a good one, but chelsea got lucky barcelona didnt put in their chances.

Yeah, I suppose what goes around comes around. In 2009, they got past Chelsea despite having only one shot on target.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I don't know what you mean by narrow minded but I would rather have Ramires than Modric in my team. But then I'm in the "don't sign Hulk leave Ramires on the right wing" camp, which means there may be a place for perhaps M'Vila to serve as a backup for Lampard in centre midfield.

But then we've already got Romeu, McEachran, Meireles and Essien (lol) waiting on the bench. 7 players who can play at centre midfield is too many for just 2 positions. 6 is probably a bit too much, as well, but we'll have quite a few extra games next season so I guess we could use the depth. The main argument against signing a new centre midfielder is that Lampard and Mikel, off the back of their recent few months, deserve to be among the first names on the teamsheet. They also work well together, and if we bring in someone expensive then that'll mean either Mikel or Lampard will be undeservingly sent to the bench. There's no need for backups either as we have 7 who can play there and only 2 available positions.

I think that for a club with aspirations to success, you have to think about the big picture.

You are narrow minded when it comes to possibilities. The day i see a team with ramires as its main starting right winger, ill die a little. You need some real packaging going forward.

mcheacran should not play for chelsea this year as far as im concerned, there might be better options, essien is nearing the kind of status where he is dispensable if not already, and meireles certainly is if its nessecary for it to happen to bring in a truly world class midfielder.

Cmon now think about success.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Yeah, I suppose what goes around comes around. In 2009, they got past Chelsea despite having only one shot on target.

Football is football, to a certain degree i dont believe in that someone deserves to win, but then i do, barcelona footbalistically speaking deserved the cl title, and they have been overall the best team in history imo.

But im not a real believe of anti football tag as others are, but meh.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

When i troll i admit it, but this time i have posted logical arguments and have gotten childish and angry replies which have provoked me into having fun with them.

Ive done nothing wrong really, its just the narrow mindedness. You can back track to all my posts and they all make sense. They get ugly and sometimes VERY UGLY when i talk to guys like davidson, orange banana or whatever that guys name is, spieg dudly, i cant even recall their names..point is,i like my own posts but they get ugly because they get controversial with your paradigm and thats undeniable. i understand your point and the real madrid thing might be pushing it, but its not my fault entirely.

Narrow mindedness and inmaturity exists in great amounts in several users here.

It's funny how you 'try' to act intelligent. You are not. You say nothing but the same recycled crap over and over and over again. I feel you are an uneducated child. Overall as a Human Being I give you an F and wish you you just dissapear from the face of the earth. You and your God Complex. That is all child. Deal with it.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

It's funny how you 'try' to act intelligent. You are not. You say nothing but the same recycled crap over and over and over again. I feel you are an uneducated child. Overall as a Human Being I give you an F and wish you you just dissapear from the face of the earth. You and your God Complex. That is all child. Deal with it.

Deal with it then buddy, all this theatrics of yours entertain me, you have a 40 foot pinewood somewhere in you for you to be this gruntled, look for a therapist.

The fact is that i HURT you while not even trying to do so, my very existence makes you rile up, and i cant do anything but sit here and laugh.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I think that for a club with aspirations to success, you have to think about the big picture.

You are narrow minded when it comes to possibilities. The day i see a team with ramires as its main starting right winger, ill die a little. You need some real packaging going forward.

mcheacran should not play for chelsea this year as far as im concerned, there might be better options, essien is nearing the kind of status where he is dispensable if not already, and meireles certainly is if its nessecary for it to happen to bring in a truly world class midfielder.

Cmon now think about success.

Ramires is funnily enough an excellent right winger. His only weakness is crossing, he's one of the fastest players in Europe, he's a good dribbler (as evidenced by his Man City goal last year), he's intelligent and he will get back and defend every time we lose the ball. He's much more preferable to Hulk and Sturridge who are better than him in terms of attacking technique (i.e. shooting, crossing, dribbling) but are slower than him and don't have his stamina or work rate.

Also I think it's unfair to say that playing Ramires will lead to long term lack of success. He was, along with Cole, Cech and Drogba by far our best player in Europe and on par with Mata in terms of overall season performances.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Deal with it then buddy, all this theatrics of yours entertain me, you have a 40 foot pinewood somewhere in you for you to be this gruntled, look for a therapist.

Deal with it buddy

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Ramires is funnily enough an excellent right winger. His only weakness is crossing, he's one of the fastest players in Europe, he's a good dribbler (as evidenced by his Man City goal last year), he's intelligent and he will get back and defend every time we lose the ball. He's much more preferable to Hulk and Sturridge who are better than him in terms of attacking technique (i.e. shooting, crossing, dribbling) but are slower than him and don't have his stamina or work rate.

Also I think it's unfair to say that playing Ramires will lead to long term lack of success. He was, along with Cole, Cech and Drogba by far our best player in Europe and on par with Mata in terms of overall season performances.

Doesnt convince me. All you aspire for is anti football then against a team like barcelona. Aspire for the best instead of putting a fake winger.

and dont put words into my mouth, i didnt assure long term lack of success, it just doesnt convince me that putting him as winger is the best option. Any manager that comes into chelsea will agree.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Deal with it buddy

you and me, cats and dogs, u always eat my dust though

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

you and me, cats and dogs, u always eat my dust though

Unfortunately you are not as good as me. You are, simply, not on my level. What you say is wrong. I am always right whereas you are always wrong. You have no proof in anything you say. You are unable to provide proof because you are a child. I cannot argue with a child as I am far superior.You are not as knowledgable as me in any matter, especially football. I am just on another level to you. Your arguments are Jibberish. Mine make perfect sense. A child like you needs to construct arguments better and with proof to compete with a superior being such as me, otherwise you will embarrass yourself child.

Taste of your own fucking medicine

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Football is football, to a certain degree i dont believe in that someone deserves to win, but then i do, barcelona footbalistically speaking deserved the cl title, and they have been overall the best team in history imo.

But im not a real believe of anti football tag as others are, but meh.

So is their merit based on their style and their tag as best team, or is it based on effort? If its the former, then there is nothing more to discuss. If its the latter, I challenge you to explain how the Chelsea players fared poorly compared to the Spaniards.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Doesnt convince me. All you aspire for is anti football then against a team like barcelona. Aspire for the best instead of putting a fake winger.

and dont put words into my mouth, i didnt assure long term lack of success, it just doesnt convince me that putting him as winger is the best option. Any manager that comes into chelsea will agree.

Not really. Ramires is a very effective winger because he puts a lot of pressure on the opposition because of his pace. It forces them to sit a little deeper, allowing us more possession, and his backtracking nature negates an opposition attacking threat in case they have a good attacking left back. Also you did say "think about success", which I interpreted as Ramires' at right winger will not be as successful as Hulk or Sturridge.

Some people on this forum have considered Ramires at right back. But I think except in extraordinary circumstances (like Barcelona 2nd leg), we would be wasting his potential if we play him there.

Also KOF, stop insulting him. I don't think he's seen enough Chelsea games to realise how important Ramires is to our team, so cut him some slack.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Unfortunately you are not as good as me. You are, simply, not on my level. What you say is wrong. I am always right whereas you are always wrong. You have no proof in anything you say. You are unable to provide proof because you are a child. I cannot argue with a child as I am far superior.You are not as knowledgable as me in any matter, especially football. I am just on another level to you. Your arguments are Jibberish. Mine make perfect sense. A child like you needs to construct arguments better and with proof to compete with a superior being such as me, otherwise you will embarrass yourself child.

Y u so mad broski?

You cant touch me, you are mere human.

And this stops here, let the mods figure this out, but for the respect of this forum, go ahead and stop acting like a clown, child. I have owned you throughly enough. You want more ownage go to your daddy at home. You have been shunned for the mean while, simpleton. PM your master if you want to come at me.