🇧🇷 Ramires

[English Freak 456]

Ramires is such a vital player to this football club.

Sure, he's not the most technically gifted CM out there...but his work ethic & energy on the pitch is just amazing...he's even a decent goalscorer.

We might go after a DLP type of player at the end of the season...but Ramires doesn't deserve to sit on the bench at Chelsea.

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The people who said Chelsea should get rid of Ramires must be feeling pretty stupid right now!

Not at all. I'll stick by my critique of his skills because I believe it to be true. He may well have a place in the squad for games against teams like Steaua but he's not in my first team if we get the transfers right and stick with the current formation. I still think we need a playmaker like Modric and someone more solid like Mikel or possibly Chalobah.

Ramires is such a vital player to this football club.

Sure, he's not the most technically gifted CM out there...but his work ethic & energy on the pitch is just amazing...he's even a decent goalscorer.

We might go after a DLP type of player at the end of the season...but Ramires doesn't deserve to sit on the bench at Chelsea.

If you buy a DLP, where does Ramires fit in then? Let's not go overboard either - he had a good game (was MOTM for me partly because I got bored of voting for Hazard or Mata and partly because he worked hard especially considering Mikel's performance) but Steaua were very average and didn't put too much pressure on us.

[themightyblue 443]

Not at all. I'll stick by my critique of his skills because I believe it to be true. He may well have a place in the squad for games against teams like Steaua but he's not in my first team if we get the transfers right and stick with the current formation. I still think we need a playmaker like Modric and someone more solid like Mikel or possibly Chalobah.

If you buy a DLP, where does Ramires fit in then? Let's not go overboard either - he had a good game (was MOTM for me partly because I got bored of voting for Hazard or Mata and partly because he worked hard especially considering Mikel's performance) but Steaua were very average and didn't put too much pressure on us.

What about for games against the likes of united, arsenal, spurs where he has excelled. No need to try a belittle him and claim that teams like steau are his levels. Also you say they are a weak team, but where was Lamps last week against this so called weak team?

As I've already explained it depends on the type of DLP we get. If it is one similar to Alonso who holds his position in the centre of the park an orchestrates from deep then Ramires has to start next to him. If it is a DLP without much positional sense then he would probably start ahead of Ramires and rotate. Way too early to say he won't fit yet

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What about for games against the likes of united, arsenal, spurs where he has excelled. No need to try a belittle him and claim that teams like steau are his levels. Also you say they are a weak team, but where was Lamps last week against this so called weak team?

Firstly, Lamps is on his way out. I wouldn't say he's good enough anymore either.

I've also explained why I think he does well in those games before. Do you want me to repeat that?

As I've already explained it depends on the type of DLP we get. If it is one similar to Alonso who holds his position in the centre of the park an orchestrates from deep then Ramires has to start next to him. If it is a DLP without much positional sense then he would probably start ahead of Ramires and rotate. Way too early to say he won't fit yet

I disagree. I actually think Mikel and Romeu (and maybe Chalobah) would be better in that circumstance. I like Rami, but if we're going to try and dominate possession against all the teams then I don't think he'll get many minutes.

Against teams that we plan to try and hit on the break then I think he'll be great but I don't know how many games that would actually represent and if it represents a large majority of our matches then I don't fancy our title chances.

[semiller1313 23]

Firstly, Lamps is on his way out. I wouldn't say he's good enough anymore either.

I've also explained why I think he does well in those games before. Do you want me to repeat that?

I disagree. I actually think Mikel and Romeu (and maybe Chalobah) would be better in that circumstance. I like Rami, but if we're going to try and dominate possession against all the teams then I don't think he'll get many minutes.

Against teams that we plan to try and hit on the break then I think he'll be great but I don't know how many games that would actually represent and if it represents a large majority of our matches then I don't fancy our title chances.

I don't agree that he is only fit for matches where we are trying to hit teams on the break. Possession requires the ability to win the ball and to keep it. Ramires, is great at winning the ball (one of the best) and poor at keeping it. His inability to keep the ball mainly comes from heavy pressing from teams. I think if we limit him to games where we are not expecting heavy pressure in the midfield, his weakness isn't really an issue. Also, it seems to me that the counter attack is an element to almost every game. Sure, there are some games where it rarely happens and some games where it is our only strategy (Barcelona, Bayern), but by in large it factors into most games. With that said, I definitely think we need to bring somebody new in. I think we can count on being pressured a fair amount, so he would need to be rotated often. Unlike some, I don't want a playmaker type like Modric or Benat. In our 4-2-3-1 we are very weak physically up front (Oscar, Mata and Hazard), to compensate for that I think we need somebody well rounded with excellent athleticism, strength, passing and ball winning skills. Of course, it is hard to find a player like that (Chalobah?), but I think that it a must for our system to work.

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I don't agree that he is only fit for matches where we are trying to hit teams on the break. Possession requires the ability to win the ball and to keep it. Ramires, is great at winning the ball (one of the best) and poor at keeping it. His inability to keep the ball mainly comes from heavy pressing from teams. I think if we limit him to games where we are not expecting heavy pressure in the midfield, his weakness isn't really an issue. Also, it seems to me that the counter attack is an element to almost every game. Sure, there are some games where it rarely happens and some games where it is our only strategy (Barcelona, Bayern), but by in large it factors into most games. With that said, I definitely think we need to bring somebody new in. I think we can count on being pressured a fair amount, so he would need to be rotated often. Unlike some, I don't want a playmaker type like Modric or Benat. In our 4-2-3-1 we are very weak physically up front (Oscar, Mata and Hazard), to compensate for that I think we need somebody well rounded with excellent athleticism, strength, passing and ball winning skills. Of course, it is hard to find a player like that (Chalobah?), but I think that it a must for our system to work.

Can't disagree with any of that really. I've actually thought myself that we could have to stronger players in that double pivot who would provide a stable platform for the front four. Chalobah and Ramires might be perfect for that.

I'm not against having Rami in the team but it has to be under the right circumstances. If we go for a ball-player like Modric then I think he's the wrong player. If we go with a more physical middle two, then he does have a place. He seems to do well in a similar system for Brazil where he's one of the workers in their 4222 so it could work for us in all of our matches.

[English Freak 456]

Can't disagree with any of that really. I've actually thought myself that we could have to stronger players in that double pivot who would provide a stable platform for the front four. Chalobah and Ramires might be perfect for that.

I'm not against having Rami in the team but it has to be under the right circumstances. If we go for a ball-player like Modric then I think he's the wrong player. If we go with a more physical middle two, then he does have a place. He seems to do well in a similar system for Brazil where he's one of the workers in their 4222 so it could work for us in all of our matches.

He does 'well' for Brazil because he plays alongside a physical CM/DM in Paulinho or Sandro...

I still think a 4-3-3 would be a good option for Chelsea.

GK: Cech

Defence: Azpi - (X) - Luiz/Cahill - Cole

Midfield: Ramires/ Oscar - DLP - Mikel / (X)

Attacking Midfield: Mata --- Hazard

Striker: (X)

Key: (X) just means I'm not sure who will play those positions next season..

[Jack Uzzi 54]

Always loved this guy and especially when he drives into forward positions. His ball control is not always great but his runs always cause problems to the opposite defense. I would mind to continue with a midfield consisting of Mikel, Ramires and Oscar with Torres/Ba, Hazard and Mata upfront. Both Hazard and Mata will have some freedom to drift inside or switch positions in such a scenario of course. Alternatively, Mata could take a starting position in midfield in stead of Oscar.

[themightyblue 443]

Firstly, Lamps is on his way out. I wouldn't say he's good enough anymore either.

I've also explained why I think he does well in those games before. Do you want me to repeat that?

I disagree. I actually think Mikel and Romeu (and maybe Chalobah) would be better in that circumstance. I like Rami, but if we're going to try and dominate possession against all the teams then I don't think he'll get many minutes.

Against teams that we plan to try and hit on the break then I think he'll be great but I don't know how many games that would actually represent and if it represents a large majority of our matches then I don't fancy our title chances.

But the point is we weren't hitting the macs, spurs or Arsenal on the break in those matches. We actually went toe to toe with them and dominated with Ramires excelling. He may be at his best on the counter, but he is still a good player even when we try to dominate as he can make his runs from deep to unsettle the opposition defence from

their structures.

He's currently better than all 3 of those players

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Like it or not, he is currently the best player to partner Mikel in the pivot and it's been proven time and time again this season. And that's not because Ramis is suited to play in the pivot but because all our other options are just not good enough.

[themightyblue 443]

Like it or not, he is currently the best player to partner Mikel in the pivot and it's been proven time and time again this season. And that's not because Ramis is suited to play in the pivot but because all our other options are just not good enough.

Yeah agree. Don't think there's much point speculating on his role next season either as we don't even know what our options will be! Should just enjoy the great performances he is putting in currently

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yeah agree. Don't think there's much point speculating on his role next season either as we don't even know what our options will be! Should just enjoy the great performances he is putting in currently

Exactly! We don't even know what formation the next manager is going to play.

[semiller1313 23]

Exactly! We don't even know what formation the next manager is going to play.

We have put together quite the stockpile of attacking midfielders (Mata, Hazard, Oscar, De Bruyne, Piazon, Moses, Marin); Because of that I have a hard time seeing us going away from the 4-2-3-1.

[themightyblue 443]

We have put together quite the stockpile of attacking midfielders (Mata, Hazard, Oscar, De Bruyne, Piazon, Moses, Marin); Because of that I have a hard time seeing us going away from the 4-2-3-1.

But then the likes of Oscar and KDB can also play as CMs in a 433, while Mata and Hazard can also play on the wings

For all we know it could even be a change to 4222 or 4321 etc. We just simply shouldn't dispose of a key player like Ramires

[Styles 9,790]

We have put together quite the stockpile of attacking midfielders (Mata, Hazard, Oscar, De Bruyne, Piazon, Moses, Marin); Because of that I have a hard time seeing us going away from the 4-2-3-1.

Marin isn't good enough. He hasn't been trusted to play any serious minutes all season and can't get a game right now despite how short we are on players. I really don't see Piazon being a proper Chelsea player any time soon, if at all.

Doesn't De Bruyne see himself more as a central-midfielder or deep-lying playmaker as opposed to an attacking midfielder?

Hazard, Oscar, Mata and Moses have been the only serious options all season and they need more support. We need at least 2 more players of similar quality i.e. much better than Marin and Piazon if we're going to rotate properly.

[semiller1313 23]

But then the likes of Oscar and KDB can also play as CMs in a 433, while Mata and Hazard can also play on the wings

For all we know it could even be a change to 4222 or 4321 etc. We just simply shouldn't dispose of a key player like Ramires

Yeah, the 433 is a possibility since it is so similar to the 4231, the only real difference is that the CAM would play a little deeper. You're right that anything could happen, who knows what our new manager will want. However, IMO its unlikely that we ever use a formation that doesn't put 3 attacking midfielders on the field at once, our best players need to be on the field. I agree with you on Ramires. I think he can be effective in the pivot when we aren't playing a team that pressures heavily.

[semiller1313 23]

Marin isn't good enough. He hasn't been trusted to play any serious minutes all season and can't get a game right now despite how short we are on players. I really don't see Piazon being a proper Chelsea player any time soon, if at all.

Doesn't De Bruyne see himself more as a central-midfielder or deep-lying playmaker as opposed to an attacking midfielder?

Hazard, Oscar, Mata and Moses have been the only serious options all season and they need more support. We need at least 2 more players of similar quality i.e. much better than Marin and Piazon if we're going to rotate properly.

Agree on Marin, we should let him go in the summer. I actually have high expectations for Piazon, but I think he should spend another season on loan. I believe that KDB will be an attacking midfielder for us. While he definitely has the offensive ability to play in the middle, I don't think he has physical, defending, and ball winning abilities that we need in the pivot. So, for next season I would line up our 3 AMs like this:

Mata/Moses Oscar/KDB Hazard/KDB

Not a ton of depth there, but I think if anybody got hurt, we could cover with Ramires and Bertrand.

[Styles 9,790]

Agree on Marin, we should let him go in the summer. I actually have high expectations for Piazon, but I think he should spend another season on loan. I believe that KDB will be an attacking midfielder for us. While he definitely has the offensive ability to play in the middle, I don't think he has physical, defending, and ball winning abilities that we need in the pivot. So, for next season I would line up our 3 AMs like this:

Mata/Moses Oscar/KDB Hazard/KDB

Not a ton of depth there, but I think if anybody got hurt, we could cover with Ramires and Bertrand.

OK, even then we still need two more attacking midfielders. We're going to play about 55-60 games a season so we need more than 5 players for 3 positions. You need at least 7 to be able to combat fatigue, form and injury.

Mata, Moses, Oscar, KDB, Hazard + 2 others would be fine. We could get by with one more attacking midfielder if we had a striker that could play wide if needed but Ba and Lukaku can't. Maybe it'd make sense buying a winger-striker hybrid in the summer to replace Torres.

That would mean we have nine players competing for 4 positions if the formation stays as 4-2-3-1.

Attacking midfielders - Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses, KDB + new player

Strikers - Ba, Lukaku + new player

So three new players in the summer; playmaker, attacking midfielder and winger-striker forward.

[juko 19]

i don't understand people saying he has no technique lol. he's one of the most technical player(like a lot of brazilians) and i love his pace. one of the best player in chelsea so far

[semiller1313 23]

OK, even then we still need two more attacking midfielders. We're going to play about 55-60 games a season so we need more than 5 players for 3 positions. You need at least 7 to be able to combat fatigue, form and injury.

Mata, Moses, Oscar, KDB, Hazard + 2 others would be fine. We could get by with one more attacking midfielder if we had a striker that could play wide if needed but Ba and Lukaku can't. Maybe it'd make sense buying a winger-striker hybrid in the summer to replace Torres.

That would mean we have nine players competing for 4 positions if the formation stays as 4-2-3-1.

Attacking midfielders - Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Moses, KDB + new player

Strikers - Ba, Lukaku + new player

So three new players in the summer; playmaker, attacking midfielder and winger-striker forward.

I see where you're coming from, and I agree that we need adequate cover. However, I also think we need to be careful not to overload the position. Hazard, Mata, Oscar and KDB are all top players who will not be satisfied unless they are playing the majority of the games. To ward off fatigue, I think they would be willing to sit around 25% of the time. Four players, playing 75% of the time in 3 positions doesn't really leave any time for anybody else. So I guess the problem isn't having too many attacking midfielders, its having too many really good attacking midfielders (first world problems) who demand playing time. Of course, things don't always go to plan, players will get hurt and suspended, which will give Moses plenty of opportunities, but beyond that, I don't see a 6th AM having much of a role, and unless there was a catastrophe, I don't see a seventh AM playing at all. Don't you think Ramires, and Bertrand would be good enough to take up the sixth and seventh spots? I think you may be able to convince me to get a winger-striker since we need a 3rd striker, but I definitely don't see a need for another pure AM.