Justin_3d 1,140 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It's not just about the identification and signing of players. The manager has to change set-ups, tactics etc with these new arrivals and also his man-management style has to adapt. Im not saying he cannot do it. Just that it's a question mark.Well with everything you said there at the end, RDM is not of a top caliber like Mourinho, Guardiola or Bielsa.But he can do an adequate job like Juventus coach.I guess sometimes for the players and fans a top dog is not require. Just someone who is a little competent.Cause Kenny for Liverpool is a big figure, but this whole time his tactical skills has been sub par to that of RDM, or even to that mediocre Mancini! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Also, it's naive to think that we would be doing fantastic in the league if Roberto had been the manager all season. Sure, we would have done better than the AVB period, but let's not forget these players are only performing at such a high level because of the magnitude of the occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Well with everything you said there at the end, RDM is not of a top caliber like Mourinho, Guardiola or Bielsa.But he can do an adequate job like Juventus coach.I guess sometimes for the players and fans a top dog is not require. Just someone who is a little competent.Cause Kenny for Liverpool is a big figure, but this whole time his tactical skills has been sub par to that of RDM, or even to that mediocre Mancini!Yeah I agree. I think he can do an okay job. I think he should be given a one year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_3d 1,140 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 But giving that I just mention Guardiola, he was also a nothing when he came to Barcelona and turn out to be great.RDM is showing that he might fall under that same category.Which is why I don't think we should cast him aside that easily.Besides this dumb ass board of ours has taken big gamble in the past couple of seasons, and has had to pay big amount of compensation for it.Surely such a small little gamble is not a big problem?And as I said many times, if RDM turns out to be as mediocre as Mancini, then we will at least have a better squad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 But for all we know, with all the resources, RDM could be a great manger... we just have to be willing to take the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 The thing is though the only managers that wouldn't be a risk here would be Mourinho or Hiddink. Everyone else such as Pep, Loew etc present a similar type of risk to just giving the job to RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 No.Lampard, Terry, Cole, Drogba, Malouda, Essien, Ferreira etc are all either over 30 or in the case of Essien, past it.Add to that players who aren't good enough like Kalou and Bosingwa. There NEEDS to be some form of rebuilding. Not just this summer but over the next 2 years.You're crazy if you think that just by winning possibly two trophies, nothing has to change. This is the same stupid brainless mentality that stopped the real transition from happening after Moscow in 08 or even after the double in 2010.Never said nothing needs to change, but obviously not that much. Kalou will be replaced by Marin, bosigwa by Azpi and then we add Hulk or some winger and creative cm: moutinho, witsel, cabaye or modricIf avb would stay, we would look after lb, because cole was bad under avb, lamps, torres, drogba, mikel too and we would need striker and dm aswell. my point is that now under rdm, we need max 4 new players this summer, under avb or new manager, we would need 5,6 minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Never said nothing needs to change, but obviously not that much. Kalou will be replaced by Marin, bosigwa by Azpi and then we add Hulk or some winger and creative cm: moutinho, witsel, cabaye or modricIf avb would stay, we would look after lb, because cole was bad under avb, lamps, torres, drogba, mikel too and we would need striker and dm aswell. my point is that now under rdm, we need max 4 new players this summer, under avb or new manager, we would need 5,6 minimum.We need 5 or 6 players regarddles the next manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nando 106 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I am afraid that after the great results under his management, we can easily get disappointed next season. And I don't want to see fans who are now admiring him for his work and later will criticize him and want him out of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_3d 1,140 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I am afraid that after the great results under his management, we can easily get disappointed next season. And I don't want to see fans who are now admiring him for his work and later will criticize him and want him out of the club.This is why a one year contract does wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 We need 5 or 6 players regarddles the next manager.No we dont and we wont get them. First it would cost us too much money, counting around 20mio per player x6= 120mio, that is never gonna happen. If we go after 10mio players, they will not do much anyway, we need top players.And if you think Marin, Hulk, Azpi and Moutinho is not enough, well you must be nuts. I will be happy if we get 3! top players, and even that will be very hard, you talk about getting 6...unless you really believe press about 250mio from roman (yeah right...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 But for all we know, with all the resources, RDM could be a great manger... we just have to be willing to take the risk.Take the risk. There is no problem in taking risks. The problem is when people think we should stick with "the risk", just like AVB this season. He was a gamble, it means he could be a huge success or a huge failure. After some months it was clear he was a huge failure, but some people were saying he was a great manager and we should give him more time, more power. AVB had a small CV and only one good season with Porto, he wasnt a proven manager.So right now RDM is a risk, and see no problem in giving him the job next season, I just hope IF the results show he is not ready yet for the job, people will accept changes are needed, because as you said, its a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Our board is known to make some of the most crazy decision. Big Names always dont work. RDM is doing a great job. The players love him, fans love him, he is Chelsea through and through, a bit like Pep Guardiola when he first took over from Rijkaard. But knowing our board, they wont give him the job and instead spend millions in buying a big name who wouldnt give fuck about the club while his bank balance is being taken care of by Roman. As a player who has won trophy with RDM I would give my everything for him next season, I would have that respect for him as to what he has achieved in such a short span. But with new manager I would have to start all over again, there will be that uncertainty over how he will go about doing his thing, etc etc..To many unknown factors with the new Manager.RDM FOR CFC MANAGER NEXT SEASON!!!!And peeps who wonder if he can build a team, I am sure you wondered whether he would be good enough to take over from AVB when he was assigned this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Take the risk. There is no problem in taking risks. The problem is when people think we should stick with "the risk", just like AVB this season. He was a gamble, it means he could be a huge success or a huge failure. After some months it was clear he was a huge failure, but some people were saying he was a great manager and we should give him more time, more power. AVB had a small CV and only one good season with Porto, he wasnt a proven manager.So right now RDM is a risk, and see no problem in giving him the job next season, I just hope IF the results show he is not ready yet for the job, people will accept changes are needed, because as you said, its a risk.Great post. Lovely to hear from you again, Henrique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 No we dont and we wont get them. First it would cost us too much money, counting around 20mio per player x6= 120mio, that is never gonna happen. If we go after 10mio players, they will not do much anyway, we need top players.And if you think Marin, Hulk, Azpi and Moutinho is not enough, well you must be nuts. I will be happy if we get 3! top players, and even that will be very hard, you talk about getting 6...unless you really believe press about 250mio from roman (yeah right...).This is not your money, so nervermind about it.Our squad is better than our current 6th position on PL, but I dont think is good enough to challenger for the trophy with Manchester's clubs. Ok, we are in an UCL final, but honestly, how many of us thought such a thing would be possible with this current squad?We need an overhaul, regardless the manager or what happen in Munich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover 28 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Di Matteo is the right man for the new Chelsea maneger.Yesterday he prof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 He proved what ?The starting eleven were well known for every1, but when we really needed some1 to turn the things around (after Caroll's goal), he did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 What makes you think capello will win anything?We tried with avb, ancelotti, ranieri,...no one brought us cl! its time to change thinking and give rdm a job. he at least fully respects chelsea, players and knows philosophy!and if he makes mistake or two, well he is young and could become our saf.legend!I said nothing about UCL, I'm talking about the transition different topics. If u Wana base job on UCL be my guest but I'm not. our next SAF, dude we all though avb would no need to make case of RDM being ours. And why I want capello?? Only because he's won everywhere he's been?! And with his knowledge it would make the transition easier. RDM understands this squad of players, here that THIS SQUAD, witch is on the clearout this summer. Drogs,kalou lamps(limited games nxt yr) Malouda. RDM has placed no faith in Studge, rightfully or notrightfully so what makes u think Studge would be excited playing for RDM next year?? And lastly, all managers respect Chelsea, nothing special there, and knows philosophy?? Witch one the counter attacking play?? Yeah it's been winning us games but we all know what ROMAN wants, and this right now is far from what he wants in terms of style is it not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 About Capello, i would take him in a heartbeat.He is the best italian manager, no doubt.He's been succes everywhere and he don't tolerate "player power", perfect transition manager.Capello for 2 years will build such a good foundations that every young attacking minded manager will jump to us, like bee to honey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 About Capello, i would take him in a heartbeat.He is the best italian manager, no doubt.He's been succes everywhere and he don't tolerate "player power", perfect transition manager.Capello for 2 years will build such a good foundations that even AVB will be success.Granted,Capello is a terrific manager but all of us want managerial longevity and I don't think a 65 year old can offer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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