The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Not sure tbh, if he couldn't break into that abysmal Burnley team something is clearly a miss right now.Doesn't matter really, I've seen plenty of examples of individuals just not being in the right environment to shine. Recent examples? Harry Kane, Ryan Mason at Tottenham. Ross Barkley, our own Bertrand all weren't that impressive during some of their loan spells. It happens. Chalobah IMO has shown enough to warrant a chance to be part of the first team squad. Reddish-Blue and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Choulo is of the opinion that Chalobah's loan spell at Watford was very overrated but almost every single Watford fan I know, and my self included, rates the kid very highly and I personally truly believe that after watching him come up the youth ranks and his loan spell at Watford and Boro to a certain extent where he was pretty decent as well - all the kid needs is a chance here.I think it's overrated not because he didn't have an incredible spell for his age, but because people were saying that he was already better than Mikel and Ramires and should be in the England squad for the 2014 WC! (Good ol' Blue Daze! ).In fact, go back in this very same thread, and you can see that I was one the people most excited about this, always reporting on the games I watch and going to watford forums to find what their fans are saying about Nathanial and post it here. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,507 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Doesn't matter really, I've seen plenty of examples of individuals just not being in the right environment to shine.Recent examples? Harry Kane, Ryan Mason at Tottenham. Ross Barkley, our own Bertrand all weren't that impressive during some of their loan spells. It happens.Chalobah IMO has shown enough to warrant a chance to be part of the first team squad.Whenever I see Chalobah's name being mentioned, I keep thinking of a comparison to Jack CorkSolid English player, represented the national side up to U-21's, did well on multiple loan spells, couldn't break into Chelsea's first team and eventually earned a move to SouthamptonI just get the feeling Chalobah may be sold sooner rather than later zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Whenever I see Chalobah's name being mentioned, I keep thinking of a comparison to Jack CorkSolid English player, represented the national side up to U-21's, did well on multiple loan spells, couldn't break into Chelsea's first team and eventually earned a move to SouthamptonI just get the feeling Chalobah may be sold sooner rather than laterI really liked Cork as well. Can see this happening for sure. Chalobah is more talented though, theoretically he should make it here but taking a risk like this is absolutely alien at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I really liked Cork as well. Can see this happening for sure. Chalobah is more talented though, theoretically he should make it here but taking a risk like this is absolutely alien at the club.I only saw cork play once, for the 18s, and he impressed me more than Chalobah does. Chalobah does more eye-catching stuff but he also makes many more mistakes. In terms of solid, reliable, professional contribution to a team, Jack is ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nathaniel Chalobah could be set for a loan switch to French side Bordeaux, sources have told ESPN FC.http://www.espnfc.com/story/2230354/bordeaux-ponder-loan-bid-for-chelsea-midfielder-nathaniel-chalobah mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nathaniel Chalobah could be set for a loan switch to French side Bordeaux, sources have told ESPN FC.http://www.espnfc.com/story/2230354/bordeaux-ponder-loan-bid-for-chelsea-midfielder-nathaniel-chalobahWell, that's completely random... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I really liked Cork as well. Can see this happening for sure. Chalobah is more talented though, theoretically he should make it here but taking a risk like this is absolutely alien at the club.is he more talented than ake and loftus though? I'd say notand his play style dosent help him imo. laid back. I've seen him strolling back into defence, when he should be sprinting. he's good , but not good enough to make it here playing like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 rantdeville 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Anyone know what the deal with him is?Last thing I read a week or so ago is that we may not be able to loan him to Bordeaux because he's played 45 minutes with Burnley and a random game or something with our U21s so he's already been technically feature for two different clubs this season and can't feature for a third according to UEFA rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Close to joining Reading (Steve Clarke is their manager now) on loan apparently. That Bordeaux move didn't materialize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 No idea how he was unable to join Bordaux but can join Reading. Anyway, best of luck to him, though I've almost lost all hope for him here. Such a shame after his early promise but his career seems to be going backwards after that first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 No idea how he was unable to join Bordaux but can join Reading. Anyway, best of luck to him, though I've almost lost all hope for him here. Such a shame after his early promise but his career seems to be going backwards after that first season. FIFA count U21 fixtures as 'official' games, whereas The FA do not. Nate's one appearance for the 21s and his outings for Burnley mean that, as far as the international body is concerned, he has used up his quota of two clubs during the current FIFA season. The FA however are not treating the game vs Man City U21 as an 'official' fixture so if Nate appears for Reading, The FA will see them as only the second club he's played for this term.I'm sure FIFA will act to standardise the ruling so that there will be only one interpretation in future. In fact I'm surprised they aren't already insisting that their ruling takes precedent. That's normally how it goes with anything concerning transfers. CHOULO19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 FIFA count U21 fixtures as 'official' games, whereas The FA do not. Nate's one appearance for the 21s and his outings for Burnley mean that, as far as the international body is concerned, he has used up his quota of two clubs during the same FIFA season. The FA however are not treating the game vs Man City U21 as an 'official' fixture so if and when Nate appears for Reading, The FA will see then as only the second club he's played for this term.I'm sure FIFA will act to standardise the ruling so that there will be only one interpretation in future. In fact I'm surprised they aren't already insisting that their ruling takes precedent. That's normally how it goes with anything concerning transfers.Ah, thanks. Yeah, a bit surprising. You'd have expected that FIFA insist that their interpretation is used.Anyway, hopefully something we learn from for future players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Does anyone know exactly what's going to happen with Nat? I feel like (and hope) he should stay and train with the first team. He would make a brilliant Matic understudy.It would be really nice to see but, to be honest, I'm pinning my hopes for the next home grown first teamer on other lads, not on Nate. Don't believe Nate is going to make it here. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ah, thanks. Yeah, a bit surprising. You'd have expected that FIFA insist that their interpretation is used.Anyway, hopefully something we learn from for future players. I'm guessing, and it's a pure guess, that FIFA regard U21 teams in England as equivalent to 'B' teams elsewhere and, since 'B' teams take part in more than one national championship, their games have to be regarded as official. Hopefully FIFA will clear up the confusion by removing the 'B' team designation from English U21 sides rather than by insisting that The FA must do it their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm guessing, and it's a pure guess, that FIFA regard U21 teams in England as equivalent to 'B' teams elsewhere and, since 'B' teams take part in more than one national championship, their games have to be regarded as official. Hopefully FIFA will clear up the confusion by removing the 'B' team designation from English U21 sides rather than by insisting that The FA must do it their way.Better yet, imo, the FA clear it up by turning U21 teams into B teams that can compete in lower leagues. But that's just the AVB in me speaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It would be really nice to see but, to be honest, I'm pinning my hopes for the next home grown first teamer on other lads, not on Nate. Don't believe Nate is going to make it here.of course he isnt .. just like josh ,,, WE musnt make the same mistakes with Ake ,, RLC Boga and others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Better yet, imo, the FA clear it up by turning U21 teams into B teams that can compete in lower leagues. But that's just the AVB in me speaking Can't wait for that to happen. Then when they suffer inconsistent results and sometimes even hammerings against lower league opposition the clamouring to wack them in the first Xl before they are out of nappys will stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 It would be really nice to see but, to be honest, I'm pinning my hopes for the next home grown first teamer on other lads, not on Nate. Don't believe Nate is going to make it here.The right window to introduce him as a squad player was really after that Watford loan. What a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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