Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[Special Juan 28,140]

You know when they are on their last legs is when they start chatting shite that makes no sense and the excuses become weaker.

Lose tonight he is gone

[gdlk 286]

I think we will drop intensity at 65-70 min again if not earlier.. We had hard match and cant prepare for whole week for 1 game, how about 2..

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

17 hours ago, lucio said:

those guys all had a big run of games in their normal position. I was thinking of maatsen more as a wb in a back 3/5 yes. It would benefit the old silva and help colwill settle as a back 3 too, a good manager would have seen this.

Even if we had a perfect squad - would you want Poch? for me he'd still put the team at a competitive disadvantage as we'd be fighting against clubs with much better managers. 

Do you see him winning PL/CL , if not , what's the goal? if we want to win those trophies again we'd have to sack him somewhere down the line anyway. If our ambitions are lower now,  we could have midtable mediocrity with potter and save a bunch of money

This forum has complained about wing backs and the 3 ATB system for years!! Now your saying you want him at wing back? He wasn't good enough here he's moved to a farmers league and playing well, exactly the same as most of the dress that leave here.

17 hours ago, lucio said:

new managers have an immediate impact all the time. If it wasn't the case, you wouldn't see clubs threatened with relegation routinely fire managers as a last attempt to stay up

New managers make an immediate impact in relegation teams for them to either get sacked the season after or get relegated the season after, quick fixes temporary seals the problem but doesn't actually resolve the problem. This team doesn't need a new manager, first and foremost it's need a new recruitment team, you cannot fill a team with kids in every position and expect consistency regardless who the manager is. We have 2 options 

1. Scrap this plan and go back to spending on big names every season, switch managers like are underwear and consistently chasing a settled and the right squad for each managers play style.

2, grit our teeth and hold on to what we are doing and hopefully it works, the reason we are where we are isn't because of the manager, it's because of this apparent new model the club is taking. Potter frank and Poch, doesn't matter.

[lucio 5,418]

12 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

This forum has complained about wing backs and the 3 ATB system for years!! Now your saying you want him at wing back? He wasn't good enough here he's moved to a farmers league and playing well, exactly the same as most of the dress that leave here.

New managers make an immediate impact in relegation teams for them to either get sacked the season after or get relegated the season after, quick fixes temporary seals the problem but doesn't actually resolve the problem. This team doesn't need a new manager, first and foremost it's need a new recruitment team, you cannot fill a team with kids in every position and expect consistency regardless who the manager is. We have 2 options 

1. Scrap this plan and go back to spending on big names every season, switch managers like are underwear and consistently chasing a settled and the right squad for each managers play style.

2, grit our teeth and hold on to what we are doing and hopefully it works, the reason we are where we are isn't because of the manager, it's because of this apparent new model the club is taking. Potter frank and Poch, doesn't matter.

He didn’t play a single game in his natural position here under a manger who thought Sanchez was better than petrovic. You can’t say he wasn’t good enough. Dortmund would abuse us 1 on 1 and he’s good enough for them 

[lucio 5,418]

Well yes , it’s the clubs fault ultimately for hiring complete shit like potter Lampard and poch and ruining the squad. 
but even if we had a perfect squad , poch wouldn’t cut it , so what’s the point ? They’d probably hire another second rate , yes-man loser , that’s the only reason for keeping him , but you’d also have to accept the club is dead at that point 

[lucio 5,418]

30 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

This forum has complained about wing backs and the 3 ATB system for years!! Now your saying you want him at wing back? He wasn't good enough here he's moved to a farmers league and playing well, exactly the same as most of the dress that leave here.

New managers make an immediate impact in relegation teams for them to either get sacked the season after or get relegated the season after, quick fixes temporary seals the problem but doesn't actually resolve the problem. This team doesn't need a new manager, first and foremost it's need a new recruitment team, you cannot fill a team with kids in every position and expect consistency regardless who the manager is. We have 2 options 

1. Scrap this plan and go back to spending on big names every season, switch managers like are underwear and consistently chasing a settled and the right squad for each managers play style.

2, grit our teeth and hold on to what we are doing and hopefully it works, the reason we are where we are isn't because of the manager, it's because of this apparent new model the club is taking. Potter frank and Poch, doesn't matter.

Problem was , we were continuing with 3 atb when our wingbacks (James and chilwell ) were injured so it was just absolute aids,  with gusto and maatsen flying down the flanks it could have been an option , as well as providing additional cover for the elderly silva and inexperienced colwill , would make enzo and caicedo/ gallaghers job easier too 

no , it’s not ideal , a well built and managed team like city , Madrid etc won’t be using 3 atb but we don’t have the players or the technical ability to dominate with other formations , it’s a formation to help less talented teams be competitive, and ultimately we won our last PL and CL with this formation 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

15 minutes ago, lucio said:

He didn’t play a single game in his natural position here under a manger who thought Sanchez was better than petrovic. You can’t say he wasn’t good enough. Dortmund would abuse us 1 on 1 and he’s good enough for them 

The forum was full of messages about how he wasn't good enough, it isn't just me saying it.

 

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

Well yes , it’s the clubs fault ultimately for hiring complete shit like potter Lampard and poch and ruining the squad. 
but even if we had a perfect squad , poch wouldn’t cut it , so what’s the point ? They’d probably hire another second rate , yes-man loser , that’s the only reason for keeping him , but you’d also have to accept the club is dead at that point 

Again this is far easier to say than the actual reality. We simply don't know it Poch could do it with a team of decent experienced players, the difference between youth and experience is night and day. If poch gets sacked I hope we get a "world class" manager because this narrative that any other WC manager would have this team firing is simply not true. Players play to how other players are around them, take Enzo for example in the world cup, he was amazing because of who he had around him, he will have been getting constant directions of senior players on the pitch. You cannot polish a turd, no matter who the person trying to polish it is.

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

The forum was full of messages about how he wasn't good enough, it isn't just me saying it.

 

Again this is far easier to say than the actual reality. We simply don't know it Poch could do it with a team of decent experienced players, the difference between youth and experience is night and day. If poch gets sacked I hope we get a "world class" manager because this narrative that any other WC manager would have this team firing is simply not true. Players play to how other players are around them, take Enzo for example in the world cup, he was amazing because of who he had around him, he will have been getting constant directions of senior players on the pitch. You cannot polish a turd, no matter who the person trying to polish it is.

Forum is full of messages saying every player isn’t good enough. It was based off him playing 5 minutes every other month out of position under a bad manager in a team full of inexperience

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

1 minute ago, lucio said:

Problem was , we were continuing with 3 atb when our wingbacks (James and chilwell ) were injured so it was just absolute aids,  with gusto and maatsen flying down the flanks it could have been an option , as well as providing additional cover for the elderly silva and inexperienced colwill , would make enzo and caicedo/ gallaghers job easier too 

no , it’s not ideal , a well built and managed team like city , Madrid etc won’t be using 3 atb but we don’t have the players or the technical ability to dominate with other formations , it’s a formation to help less talented teams be competitive, and ultimately we won our last PL and CL with this formation 

I think with a fully fit team a 433 is absolutely fine back 4 of gusto fofana colwill chilwell 

Midfield 3 of Enzo caicedo lavia 

And a front 3 of Jackson new striker palmer 

The new striker cannot be a young inexperienced kid though, and we build from that foundation 

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I think with a fully fit team a 433 is absolutely fine back 4 of gusto fofana colwill chilwell 

Midfield 3 of Enzo caicedo lavia 

And a front 3 of Jackson new striker palmer 

The new striker cannot be a young inexperienced kid though, and we build from that foundation 

Not bad but ideally you’d upgrade chilwell and Jackson that’s a weak looking left side. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

1 minute ago, lucio said:

Forum is full of messages saying every player isn’t good enough. It was based off him playing 5 minutes every other month out of position under a bad manager in a team full of inexperience

But there stems the problem, your using bad manager and a team full of inexperience in the same sentence, all the manager can do is set the team up and these players need to gain the experience, once they do it makes any managers job easier. You give the best joiner an apprentice and see what you end up with as a final cabinet for example, then give the same joiner an experienced joiner the difference is night and day, it's the exact same in football

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

1 minute ago, lucio said:

Not bad but ideally you’d upgrade chilwell and Jackson that’s a weak looking left side. 

TBF Jacksons looked twice the player on the left, chilwell I agree with but we need some experience in the team and when he's properly fit and onit he can be one hell of a player.

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

But there stems the problem, your using bad manager and a team full of inexperience in the same sentence, all the manager can do is set the team up and these players need to gain the experience, once they do it makes any managers job easier. You give the best joiner an apprentice and see what you end up with as a final cabinet for example, then give the same joiner an experienced joiner the difference is night and day, it's the exact same in football

He’s setting the team up poorly regardless of experience. A team full of experience can carry a poor manager (Di matteo, grant ) but an inexperienced team cant. 
we need more experience, quality and a better manager , that’s the bottom line 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

@lucio don't get me wrong I don't think poch is world class, but I saw what he did to that spurs team and how they played and it's nothing like we are seeing here. So from that basis I know what he's trying to do, problem we have is these players don't have the experience to know, when to move up when to go in or side deep or switch sides, you can see it in our play! So much seconded guessing.

2 minutes ago, lucio said:

He’s setting the team up poorly regardless of experience. A team full of experience can carry a poor manager (Di matteo, grant ) but an inexperienced team cant. 
we need more experience, quality and a better manager , that’s the bottom line 

And an inexperienced team couldn't carry a decent manager, and there lies the problem. Change the manager and we have the same issue time and time again, first we need to get a well balanced team, the recruitment and injury department have been below par, far below. And I'm not sure about setting up the team up poorly, because lol at our bench lol we have fuck all.

Edited February 28, 2024 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

5 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

@lucio don't get me wrong I don't think poch is world class, but I saw what he did to that spurs team and how they played and it's nothing like we are seeing here. So from that basis I know what he's trying to do, problem we have is these players don't have the experience to know, when to move up when to go in or side deep or switch sides, you can see it in our play! So much seconded guessing.

And an inexperienced team couldn't carry a decent manager, and there lies the problem. Change the manager and we have the same issue time and time again, first we need to get a well balanced team, the recruitment and injury department have been below par, far below. And I'm not sure about setting up the team up poorly, because lol at our bench lol we have fuck all.

A top class manager wouldn’t need carrying and you’d at least see signs of good play, there’s been nothing to suggest poch is heading in the right direction. I’m not just talking about the lineup , it’s the awful tactics , no pressing , too much space between the midfielders etc 

it makes sense to give someone like klopp time given his track record , but not serial losers like poch or nothing managers like potter 

you can opt for patience when you actually hire someone good 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

4 minutes ago, lucio said:

A top class manager wouldn’t need carrying and you’d at least see signs of good play, there’s been nothing to suggest poch is heading in the right direction. I’m not just talking about the lineup , it’s the awful tactics , no pressing , too much space between the midfielders etc 

it makes sense to give someone like klopp time given his track record , but not serial losers like poch or nothing managers like potter 

you can opt for patience when you actually hire someone good 

But by your own words if we hired some one good we wouldn't need patience lol, some of our patterns of play have been excellent, our problems happen when teams just put 11 men behind the ball, these players have all come from terms bar maybe Palmer, where they have never had to deal with this before, experience comes from playing and the more they play and the more mistakes they make the better players they will become. Poch was never brought in the win trophy's and we all know it, poch has been brought in to mould these young men into a team and create a solid foundation. You can't win trophy's with a young team like this, think it's time we all started accepting that.

Edited February 28, 2024 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

But by your own words if we hired some one good we wouldn't need patience lol, some.of our patterns of play have been excellent, our problems happen when teams just put 11 men behind the ball, these players have all come from terms par maybe Palmer where they have never had to deal with this before, experience comes from playing and the more they play and the more mistakes they make the better players they will become. Poch was never brought in the win trophy's and we all know it, poch has been brought in to mould these young men into a team and create a solid foundation. You can't win trophy's with a young team like this, think it's time we all started accepting that.

So you are lowering your standards. If it was up to you we’d probably still have Potter saying “the boys gave everything” 

maybe no one is expecting major trophies right now but in a few years we will be , and poch , a serial loser won’t be the man to deliver. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

Poch keeps saying how supportive the owners are. I wonder if he was watching when they kept telling Potter how patient they were with the team development and what a great job he was doing with the players.....just before they sacked him? 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Just now, lucio said:

So you are lowering your standards. If it was up to you we’d probably still have Potter saying “the boys gave everything” 

maybe no one is expecting major trophies right now but in a few years we will be , and poch , a serial loser won’t be the man to deliver. 

No, we aren't the ones doing that. The club is even before they signed Poch.

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, robsblubot said:

No, we aren't the ones doing that. The club is even before they signed Poch.

Anyone who wants Poch long term is either lowering their standards for “stability” or is deluding themselves into thinking he’s gonna win something 

ofc the club have already lowered the standards , Roman wouldn’t even have considered Potter a candidate