Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Think a lot of our players would thrive in Rúben Amorim's set up. 

Of course this would make wide players like Madueke and Mudryk pointless, but I have almost given up on them entirely. 

Those donkeys are already pointless 😂 

[Strike 7,492]

58 minutes ago, lucio said:

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

Ripping it up is not the way to go to reach that aim. Who will replace Poch now? Better to keep Poch than go with another interim till May. 

[lucio 5,418]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Ripping it up is not the way to go to reach that aim. Who will replace Poch now? Better to keep Poch than go with another interim till May. 

Why not ? Season is dead so there’s no point wasting time with poch, sack him now or back him long term (although that will mean mediocrity for years to come) 

fresh impetus might even help some of these guys , someone who can fire them up and motivate instead of another soft touch 

[Strike 7,492]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

Why not ? Season is dead so there’s no point wasting time with poch, sack him now or back him long term (although that will mean mediocrity for years to come) 

fresh impetus might even help some of these guys , someone who can fire them up and motivate instead of another soft touch 

Who can take over now ?

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, lucio said:

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

Next season is a write off then , he’s never gonna win anything here or elsewhere , he wouldn’t win the lottery if you gave him the winning ticket 

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

Palmer and gusto playing well isn’t down to pochs tactics , they are just genuinely good players 

colwill was being played out of position earlier in the season , disasi played one good game 

and attributing the goalkeepers ability to poch is really scraping the barrel, let’s not forget he’s only playing because the terrible goalkeeper who Poch preferred got injured, if it wasn’t for that we’d still be seeing clownshows from Sanchez every week 

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

3 minutes ago, lucio said:

Palmer and gusto playing well isn’t down to pochs tactics , they are just genuinely good players 

colwill was being played out of position earlier in the season , disasi played one good game 

and attributing the goalkeepers ability to poch is really scraping the barrel, let’s not forget he’s only playing because the terrible goalkeeper who Poch preferred got injured, if it wasn’t for that we’d still be seeing clownshows from Sanchez every week 

Your confusing tactics with coaching mate, not once in that message did it mention tactics, it's easy to say Poch hasn't improved one player when most of us have never seen most of these play before now.

Edited February 27, 2024 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

18 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Your confusing tactics with coaching mate, not once in that message did it mention tactics, it's easy to say Poch hasn't improved one player when most of us have never seen most of these play before now.

So what’s your reasoning for keeping poch ?

[TheHulk 2,466]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

Complete horseshit, Palmer was playing very good right before we signed him, Sterling is just as inconsistent, Disasi played one good game and suddenly Poch improved him and he became world class around here, Colwill was played out of position whole season, didn't bother dropping Sanchez even after that embarrassment against Arsenal and you think he improved Petrovic?

Edited February 27, 2024 by TheHulk

[robsblubot 3,595]

20 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Complete horseshit, Palmer was playing very good right before we signed him, Sterling is just as inconsistent, Disasi played one good game and suddenly Poch improved him and he became world class around here, Colwill was played out of position whole season, didn't bother dropping Sanchez even after that embarrassment against Arsenal and you think he improved Petrovic?

With this logic it's impossible to give the manager any credit, even when he deserves some. No, he's not a great manager and likely not the one to get us out of this hole, but ultimately football is about the 11 players on the pitch and ours aren't anywhere near good enough.
A simple exercise is to think which of our players would walk into any of the top6 teams in the PL. Reckon some of our rotation players wouldn't sit on the bench for many of these teams.

Palmer was let go by City. Agreed on Sterling and Disasi, but Poch tactics, playing a low block of late helped the slow CB Disasi is.
Colwill played as LB because Chilwell was always injured or unfit. Cuccu is deemed surplus and we will try to move him in the summer. We have an abundance of CBs, not so much FB. As soon as Chilwell was fit, colwill was moved to CB and stayed there. Honestly I can't imagine another manager acting much differently here.

I think unless we bring a manager who can help build a squad, like find the right player and decide which should go, I don't really care too much who the manager is. If the next one will be another yes-man, then nothing will change... why bother?

Edited February 27, 2024 by robsblubot

[lucio 5,418]

Just now, robsblubot said:

With this logic it's impossible to give the manager any credit, even when he deserves some. No, he's not a great manager and likely not the one to get us out of this hole, but ultimately football is about the 11 players on the pitch and ours aren't anywhere near good enough.
A simple exercise is to think which of our players would walk into any of the top6 teams in the PL. Reckon some of our rotation players wouldn't sit on the bench for many of these teams.

Palmer was let go by City. Agreed on Sterling and Disasi, but Poch tactics, playing a low block of late helped the slow CB Disasi is.
Colwill played as LB because Chilwell was always injured or unfit. Cuccu is deemed surplus and we will try to move him in the summer. We have an abundance of CBs, not so much FB. As soon as Chilwell was fit, colwill was moved to CB and stayed there. Honestly I can't imagine another manager acting much differently here.

I think unless we bring a manager who can help build a squad, like find the right player and decide which should go, I don't really care too much who the manager is. If the next one will be another yes-man, then nothing will change... why bother?

Dude had maatsen all year fit and ready but he chose to put colwill out of position. 

[Chuckso 17]

4 hours ago, lucio said:

Why not ? Season is dead so there’s no point wasting time with poch, sack him now or back him long term (although that will mean mediocrity for years to come) 

fresh impetus might even help some of these guys , someone who can fire them up and motivate instead of another soft touch 

Our best game last season was the one vs Liverpool - only game managed by Bruno Saltor. 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Chuckso

[Chuckso 17]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

Yet - yet… Xabi Alonso took over at Leverkusen second from bottom with a quarter of the season played and has broken records in his second season.

All what has been seen is stagnation and regression.

[Chuckso 17]

22 minutes ago, lucio said:

Dude had maatsen all year fit and ready but he chose to put colwill out of position. 

Ian Maatsen went immediately to win young player of the month. Pulisic and even Ruben Cheek are playing well at Milan. Under good management these players would flourish and that is when to properly judge them.

 

We have been desperately unlucky with having Frank, Potter and Poch in as mangers in succession. Get a good manager and watch these guys perform to their talents and above.

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Chuckso

[Chuckso 17]

24 minutes ago, Chuckso said:

Our best game last season was the one vs Liverpool - only game managed by Bruno Saltor. 

In fact that game gave a bright spotlight to the effect a manager can have.

We went from lifeless under Potter - to a great game vs Liverpool (when we were expecting a thrashing. We matched them toe to toe) under Saltor - to IMMEDIATELY going back to listless under Frank the next game he took over…. Night - Day - Night

 

Anyone who doubts should go watch the extended highlights of those 3 games. 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Chuckso

[Chuckso 17]

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[robsblubot 3,595]

45 minutes ago, lucio said:

Dude had maatsen all year fit and ready but he chose to put colwill out of position. 

You must be joking... did Maatsen look remotely ready when playing with much less defensive responsibilities (right wing/mid)? Because to be me he looked shit. Besides, Poch might have wanted a more defensive option to balance out the team, which is his prerogative as manager.

There is a very respectable take on what the best starting XI is: that the goal is to get the best players on the pitch regardless of position. SO, this stoic way of thinking regarding position I see here, is really debatable.

Brazil 82 is the prime example: there were several players out of position... some say too many.

Edited February 27, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

Definitely and one of the reason why City and Liverpool have done good is because of continuity. 

Can now say the same with Arteta. If we fired the coach then the new coach needs another time to assess the players and we are back to the same that has been for many years. 

We are stuck with players that are not good and stagnate. Let's just stick with one manager and work on getting the right players.