Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

[robsblubot 3,502]

2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

All this stuff about removing Pochettino and expecting the team to become top4 quality is premature 

Younes sums it up well here.

Poch is only a PART of the problem. The squad changes and the behind the scenes administrative changes have crippled the club.

 

Thank you for the link. Great points and I agree with almost everything he says esp about what the owners are going for.

i think he is missing a couple of things tho:

1. Footballers at their peak also mean physical peak. There is also physical prowess which isn’t just stamina/resistance (outmuscling or outrunning someone). Virgil did not seem tired at all by the end of extra time and neither did Diaz or Endo. Their kids played for a short time for a reason.

2. I’m not sure we man-mark on set pieces some manager hate that, some do a mix. Virgil made 2 great runs to score — he wasn’t standing still. The first his marker, chilwell (mismatch for sure) was blocked by the Liverpool player (Endo) hence the offside call. The second disasi, I think got blocked by mudryk who is clueless defending Tbf. So, chilwell was the cover.

point being that it is very hard to know how much was entirely on poch vs the players failing to execute simple tasks. It’s easier to think that both players and manager felt short of the task. At least that’s the way I think.

I don’t personally pay much attention to what managers say esp after a loss. The job demands making up shit to feed to the press.

his point of academy kids vs overpaid kids brought from somewhere else sounded familiar. Like someone here may have written that we were paying millions for literal nobodies early this season eh.

 

Edited February 27 by robsblubot

[Reddish-Blue 2,345]

10 hours ago, robsblubot said:

I look at the players on the pitch and have no idea where this improvement will come from.

There is definitely room for improvement and that starts with the basics. 

• Use players in their best position (i.e. don't play a young CB at LB just to give him game time, if he's good enough, blood him in as a CB)
• Figure out the best midfield moving forward (really is a shame that Lavia could barely play 3 games all season, he's the one with the passing ability we lack)
• Huge question marks over our attack (did we really expect Mudryk and Madueke to get 10-15 goals this season?   What's Sterlings role?   Jackson looked better in 2 games on the left flank than most of the season as striker.....and is Nkunku ever going to be fit for 10+ games in a row or is that the reason why Leipzig sold him, knowing that he was injury prone?)

5 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

All this stuff about removing Pochettino and expecting the team to become top4 quality is premature 

Top 4 is dreamland at this stage but we really shouldn't be down in 10th/11th place either.   You can't tell me that the current squad is any worse than United/Brighton (based on current league table).  The difference is United have enough quality to take those 50/50 chances from guys like Rashford, Bruno, that Haaland-lite striker they got and then they have two game changing youngsters in Garnacho & Mainoo. 

 

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Grealish is not the first player to find himself in and out of Guardiola's team, such are the demands the former Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach places on his players.

And the England international has been warned he will not be given time to ease himself back into the City side.

"I cannot give players three or four games to get their rhythm," added Guardiola. "They have to find the rhythm to play for 20 minutes or 90.

"At a high level, the team don't wait to be fit. You cannot give someone three or four games to be fit. What about the 10 who don't play? They deserve not to play?

"You have to see the training sessions and all the small details. The players don't have to convince me. They have to convince themselves that they deserve to play."

Guardiola quote on Grealish and his mentality on letting players play their way back into form. Really highlighted to me by comparison how miles off we are from being a top side again.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

There is definitely room for improvement and that starts with the basics. 

• Use players in their best position (i.e. don't play a young CB at LB just to give him game time, if he's good enough, blood him in as a CB)
• Figure out the best midfield moving forward (really is a shame that Lavia could barely play 3 games all season, he's the one with the passing ability we lack)
• Huge question marks over our attack (did we really expect Mudryk and Madueke to get 10-15 goals this season?   What's Sterlings role?   Jackson looked better in 2 games on the left flank than most of the season as striker.....and is Nkunku ever going to be fit for 10+ games in a row or is that the reason why Leipzig sold him, knowing that he was injury prone?)

Top 4 is dreamland at this stage but we really shouldn't be down in 10th/11th place either.   You can't tell me that the current squad is any worse than United/Brighton (based on current league table).  The difference is United have enough quality to take those 50/50 chances from guys like Rashford, Bruno, that Haaland-lite striker they got and then they have two game changing youngsters in Garnacho & Mainoo. 

 

Didn't realise how far behind Brighton we are now..knew far behind Man U...2 behind 10th place now not even that anymore.

Exactly and the way they just go for it as well. A lot of the time our play is either pass pass pass pass pass pass backwards or sod all or just stroll around a lot

[lucio 5,418]

Rúben Amorim - High pressing 343. Get a striker and left wing back and it’d be much better than this directionless shite we see.

james can be rcb, gusto rwb, 

3 at the back suits us better tbh , we don’t have the raw quality to go 433/4231

[Fernando 6,453]

3 hours ago, lucio said:

Rúben Amorim - High pressing 343. Get a striker and left wing back and it’d be much better than this directionless shite we see.

james can be rcb, gusto rwb, 

3 at the back suits us better tbh , we don’t have the raw quality to go 433/4231

Ruben reminds me of AVB. 

Don't put my hope on him. 

We should just continue with Poch and improve the team. Board is fault for many buys. Disasi, Fofana, Mudryk and such. 

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Ruben reminds me of AVB. 

Don't put my hope on him. 

We should just continue with Poch and improve the team. Board is fault for many buys. Disasi, Fofana, Mudryk and such. 

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Think a lot of our players would thrive in Rúben Amorim's set up. 

Of course this would make wide players like Madueke and Mudryk pointless, but I have almost given up on them entirely. 

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Think a lot of our players would thrive in Rúben Amorim's set up. 

Of course this would make wide players like Madueke and Mudryk pointless, but I have almost given up on them entirely. 

Those donkeys are already pointless 😂 

[Strike 7,217]

58 minutes ago, lucio said:

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

Ripping it up is not the way to go to reach that aim. Who will replace Poch now? Better to keep Poch than go with another interim till May. 

[lucio 5,418]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Ripping it up is not the way to go to reach that aim. Who will replace Poch now? Better to keep Poch than go with another interim till May. 

Why not ? Season is dead so there’s no point wasting time with poch, sack him now or back him long term (although that will mean mediocrity for years to come) 

fresh impetus might even help some of these guys , someone who can fire them up and motivate instead of another soft touch 

[Strike 7,217]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

Why not ? Season is dead so there’s no point wasting time with poch, sack him now or back him long term (although that will mean mediocrity for years to come) 

fresh impetus might even help some of these guys , someone who can fire them up and motivate instead of another soft touch 

Who can take over now ?

[Fernando 6,453]

4 hours ago, lucio said:

Poch isn’t and will never be PL / CL winning standard. That has to be the aim so he needs to be sacked 

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Maybe but he will help build a competitive team and organization. Something he did before and that usually takes more then one season. 

I knew this season would be like this but there's game that I seen what it can be. 

I still say back him and give him next season. 

 

Next season is a write off then , he’s never gonna win anything here or elsewhere , he wouldn’t win the lottery if you gave him the winning ticket 

[lucio 5,418]

11 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I saw this In another forum, I think it's spot on.

 

How are you supposed to judge the improvement of Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo, Madueke, Gusto, Disasi, Colwill, Petrovic? Palmer is better than what he showed at City last season, Gusto has been excellent, Disasi and Colwill are better players than they were at the beginning of the season, and Sterling improved on last season. Let's not let a narrative get in the way of actual evidence. 

You also cannot assemble a squad devoid of leadership characteristics and then 8 months into his tenure blame the manager for the lack of leadership being shown (even more so when considering other factors like injuries). As I've said, keep the manager unless things become untenable, build the squad, fix the injury issues. That's the only way forward.

Palmer and gusto playing well isn’t down to pochs tactics , they are just genuinely good players 

colwill was being played out of position earlier in the season , disasi played one good game 

and attributing the goalkeepers ability to poch is really scraping the barrel, let’s not forget he’s only playing because the terrible goalkeeper who Poch preferred got injured, if it wasn’t for that we’d still be seeing clownshows from Sanchez every week 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

3 minutes ago, lucio said:

Palmer and gusto playing well isn’t down to pochs tactics , they are just genuinely good players 

colwill was being played out of position earlier in the season , disasi played one good game 

and attributing the goalkeepers ability to poch is really scraping the barrel, let’s not forget he’s only playing because the terrible goalkeeper who Poch preferred got injured, if it wasn’t for that we’d still be seeing clownshows from Sanchez every week 

Your confusing tactics with coaching mate, not once in that message did it mention tactics, it's easy to say Poch hasn't improved one player when most of us have never seen most of these play before now.

Edited February 27 by YorkshireBlue

[lucio 5,418]

18 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Your confusing tactics with coaching mate, not once in that message did it mention tactics, it's easy to say Poch hasn't improved one player when most of us have never seen most of these play before now.

So what’s your reasoning for keeping poch ?