Kane or Lukaku?

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

14 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If he’d rather be remembered for being Spurs’ top goalscorer winning 0 trophies let him. No point scoring 250 goals if your not going to win any trophies whilst doing it. 

Agree with Souness on his comments about the Kane interview the other day. The guys got a loser mentality for me. Always something. 

I think there is alot to be said about been a one club player, yeah he might not have any medals or trophy's, but to Tottenham he's a football god. 

[Vesper 30,085]

3 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I think there is alot to be said about been a one club player, yeah he might not have any medals or trophy's, but to Tottenham he's a football god. 

he is not a one club man

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2001–2002    Arsenal
2002–2004    Ridgeway Rovers
2004              Watford
2004–2009    Tottenham Hotspur

2009–    Tottenham Hotspur    313    (208)
2011    → Leyton Orient (loan)    18    (5)
2012    → Millwall (loan)    22    (7)
2012–2013    → Norwich City (loan)    3    (0)
2013    → Leicester City (loan)    13    (2)

this is a one club man:

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Coppa Italia: 2002–03
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Individual

UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1988, 1996, 2000
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FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1990, 1994
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World Soccer Player of the Year: 1994
El País European Player of the Year: 1994
UNICEF European Footballer of the Season: 1993–94
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FIFA World Player of the Year: Silver Award 1995
Premio Nazionale Carriera Esemplare "Gaetano Scirea": 2002
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2002
FIFA XI: 2002
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Inducted into the Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2012
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One Club Man Award: 2016
UEFA Euro All-time XI
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Gazzetta Sports Awards – Legend: 2018
Ballon d'Or Dream Team: 2020
IFFHS All-time Men's Dream Team: 2021
Globe Soccer Awards Sporting Director of the Year: 2022

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Most appearances in all competitions (Milan): 902
Second-most Serie A appearances (only Serie A regular-seasons): 647
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Most seasons played in Serie A: 25 (shared with Francesco Totti)
Most seasons played in Serie A for the same club (Milan): 25 (shared with Francesco Totti for Roma)
Third-most UEFA club competitions appearances: 174
Most UEFA club competitions appearances for Milan: 174
Most UEFA club competitions appearances for the same club (Milan): 174
Most European competitions appearances: 168
Most European competitions appearances for AC Milan: 168
Most UEFA Champions League appearances for AC Milan: 139
Most finals played in UEFA Champions League – 8 (shared with Francisco Gento)
Youngest first-team player (Milan): 16 years and 208 days (against Udinese, 20 January 1985)
Longest-serving player (Milan): 24 years and 132 days (from 20 January 1985 to 31 May 2009)
Most FIFA World Cup appearances for Italy: 23
Record of minutes played in the World Cups: 2216
Fastest goal scored in UEFA Champions League/European Cup final history: 50 seconds, 2005
Oldest player to score a goal in UEFA Champions League/European Cup final history: aged 36 years and 333 days, playing for Milan against Liverpool, 2005
Most European/UEFA Super Cup titles: (shared with Dani Alves) (1989, 1990, 1994, 2003)
Most European/UEFA Super Cup final appearances: (shared with Dani Alves) (1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 2003)
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Edited May 2, 2023 by Vesper

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

he is not a one club man

1999–2001    Ridgeway Rovers
2001–2002    Arsenal
2002–2004    Ridgeway Rovers
2004              Watford
2004–2009    Tottenham Hotspur

2009–    Tottenham Hotspur    313    (208)
2011    → Leyton Orient (loan)    18    (5)
2012    → Millwall (loan)    22    (7)
2012–2013    → Norwich City (loan)    3    (0)
2013    → Leicester City (loan)    13    (2)

this is a one club man:

Honours

AC Milan

Serie A: 1987–88, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
Coppa Italia: 2002–03
Supercoppa Italiana: 1992, 1993, 2004
European Cup/UEFA Champions League: 1988–89, 1989–90, 1993–94, 2002–03, 2006–07
European/UEFA Super Cup: 1989, 1990, 1994, 2003
Intercontinental Cup: 1989, 1990
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

Italy

FIFA World Cup runner-up: 1994; third place 1990
UEFA European Championship runner-up: 2000
UEFA European Under-21 Championship runner-up: 1986

Individual

UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1988, 1996, 2000
Bravo Award: 1989
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1990, 1994
Ballon d'Or: Third place 1994, 2003
World Soccer Player of the Year: 1994
El País European Player of the Year: 1994
UNICEF European Footballer of the Season: 1993–94
ESM Team of the Year: 1994–95, 1995–96, 1999–00, 2002–03
FIFA World Player of the Year: Silver Award 1995
Premio Nazionale Carriera Esemplare "Gaetano Scirea": 2002
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2002
FIFA XI: 2002
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2003
UEFA Team of the Year: 2003, 2005
UEFA President's Award: 2003
Serie A Defender of the Year: 2004
FIFA 100
UEFA Golden Jubilee Poll: #10
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2005
UEFA Club Defender of the Year: 2007
Premio internazionale Giacinto Facchetti: 2008
FIFA Order of Merit: 2008
UEFA Champions League Achievement Award: 2009
Marca Leyenda: 2009
Sports Illustrated Team of the Decade: 2009
ESPN World Team of the Decade: 2009
Inducted into the Italian Football Hall of Fame: 2012
World Soccer Greatest XI of all time: 2013
One Club Man Award: 2016
UEFA Euro All-time XI
AC Milan Hall of Fame
Inducted into the Walk of Fame of Italian sport: 2018
Gazzetta Sports Awards – Legend: 2018
Ballon d'Or Dream Team: 2020
IFFHS All-time Men's Dream Team: 2021
Globe Soccer Awards Sporting Director of the Year: 2022

Records

Most appearances in all competitions (Milan): 902
Second-most Serie A appearances (only Serie A regular-seasons): 647
Most league appearances for Milan (only Serie A regular-seasons): 647
Most league appearances for the same club (Milan) (only Serie A regular-seasons): 647
Most seasons played in Serie A: 25 (shared with Francesco Totti)
Most seasons played in Serie A for the same club (Milan): 25 (shared with Francesco Totti for Roma)
Third-most UEFA club competitions appearances: 174
Most UEFA club competitions appearances for Milan: 174
Most UEFA club competitions appearances for the same club (Milan): 174
Most European competitions appearances: 168
Most European competitions appearances for AC Milan: 168
Most UEFA Champions League appearances for AC Milan: 139
Most finals played in UEFA Champions League – 8 (shared with Francisco Gento)
Youngest first-team player (Milan): 16 years and 208 days (against Udinese, 20 January 1985)
Longest-serving player (Milan): 24 years and 132 days (from 20 January 1985 to 31 May 2009)
Most FIFA World Cup appearances for Italy: 23
Record of minutes played in the World Cups: 2216
Fastest goal scored in UEFA Champions League/European Cup final history: 50 seconds, 2005
Oldest player to score a goal in UEFA Champions League/European Cup final history: aged 36 years and 333 days, playing for Milan against Liverpool, 2005
Most European/UEFA Super Cup titles: (shared with Dani Alves) (1989, 1990, 1994, 2003)
Most European/UEFA Super Cup final appearances: (shared with Dani Alves) (1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 2003)
Second-most career club appearances by an Italian player: 902
Most appearances for a single Italian club: 902 (with Milan)

Orders

Ufficiale OMRI BAR.svg4th Class / Officer: Ufficiale Ordine al Merito della Repubblica Italiana: 2000
Cavaliere OMRI BAR.svg5th Class / Knight: Cavaliere Ordine al Merito della Repubblica Italiana: 1991

On paper he isn't, but when u hear harry kane you think Tottenham, same with lampard and Chelsea.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

7 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I think there is alot to be said about been a one club player, yeah he might not have any medals or trophy's, but to Tottenham he's a football god. 

Perhaps - but great players tend to be remembered more for winning trophies. Suppose they can make him a being a god at Tottenham trophy.

For example, Alan Shearer was a phenomenal striker in terms of strike rate but only won 1 major honour at club level so when people talk about the greatest PL strikers, guys like Aguero, Henry, Rooney, Andy Cole, Bergkamp, usually all crop up before he is - maybe unfair in some regards because he is the PL top scorer of all time but its probably because he only won 1 trophy.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps - but great players tend to be remembered more for winning trophies. Suppose they can make him a being a god at Tottenham trophy.

For example, Alan Shearer was a phenomenal striker in terms of strike rate but only won 1 major honour at club level so when people talk about the greatest PL strikers, guys like Aguero, Henry, Rooney, Andy Cole, Bergkamp, usually all crop up before he is - maybe unfair in some regards because he is the PL top scorer of all time but its probably because he only won 1 trophy.

Trophy's are teams efforts in a way, shearer goal record is his own I suppose, personally I'd rather play at Chelsea all my life and win nothing but become a legend, than move to arsenal or spurs or utd and deffo Liverpool to win something.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Kane is twice the player.

Kane improves the team, while Lukaku plays for himself, his goal tally, and nothing else.

[Vesper 30,085]

depends what Kane costs

he is 30yo in July

probably has 3 or 4 good years left max 

dice roll once he hits 33, 34 (34yo in his 5th year)

cannot see him a force at 35, not a chance

[Pizy 18,850]

21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

depends what Kane costs

he is 30yo in July

probably has 3 or 4 good years left max 

dice roll once he hits 33, 34 (34yo in his 5th year)

cannot see him a force at 35, not a chance

I actually disagree with this. I think Kane’s game will age fantastically. Think he’ll replicate exactly what Lewa and Benzema are doing currently and scoring for fun well into his mid 30’s. 

He’s already slow, he already doesn’t rely on running, isn’t a high jumper. I think in a team with lots of athletes and legs around him he’ll continue to score 20+ in the league every season.

If was open to moving here to work under Poch again I’d be fine with us making a mammoth offer. But on principal Levy would say no. Do wonder if he’d still dig his heels in if we offered north of £100m with just 1 year left on his contract. At some point it would be totally irresponsible for him to turn down silly money for a player that wants out, no matter how nasty it would be selling to a hated local rival. Especially for a cheap club like Spuds who will not only not have UCL money but also have that stadium bill hanging over them still.

My guess is that he ends up as United’s new poster boy, though. Easier for Levy to sell to a non-rival, non-London club and easier to tell the fans that he wanted to go play in the UCL. And think about England’s #1 most beloved player going to England’s #1 darling club… 🤢🤢🤢

[Vesper 30,085]

12 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I actually disagree with this. I think Kane’s game will age fantastically. Think he’ll replicate exactly what Lewa and Benzema are doing currently and scoring for fun well into his mid 30’s. 

He’s already slow, he already doesn’t rely on running, isn’t a high jumper. I think in a team with lots of athletes and legs around him he’ll continue to score 20+ in the league every season.

If was open to moving here to work under Poch again I’d be fine with us making a mammoth offer. But on principal Levy would say no. Do wonder if he’d still dig his heels in if we offered north of £100m with just 1 year left on his contract. At some point it would be totally irresponsible for him to turn down silly money for a player that wants out, no matter how nasty it would be selling to a hated local rival. Especially for a cheap club like Spuds who will not only not have UCL money but also have that stadium bill hanging over them still.

My guess is that he ends up as United’s new poster boy, though. Easier for Levy to sell to a non-rival, non-London club and easier to tell the fans that he wanted to go play in the UCL. And think about England’s #1 most beloved player going to England’s #1 darling club… 🤢🤢🤢

well to be fair I am saying he may well be a good to great CF until 34 or so

that is well past all but a few

I do not see him at 35yo in the EPL being at Benz or Lewa level

Edited May 14, 2023 by Vesper

[Mário César 1,232]

why kane woud want to play for us?

[Pizy 18,850]

23 minutes ago, Mário César said:

why kane woud want to play for us?

If United don’t get him where else could he go? City don’t need a #9 obviously. Real Madrid don’t. Barca don’t. Juve are in the dumps. Bayern would probably love him but ain’t spending mega money I wouldn’t think.

If he’s adamant that he wants out I think ourselves and United are the only options. He probably fancies the PL record, too, so will want to stay in England.

[coolhead23 1,147]

If these are the only 2 choices ... 

Then it is a no brainer, Kane all the way. He still has goals in him, lot of them. If the service is right, he can easily excel for another few seasons. 

 

He wouldnt come here is something which is obvious. 🙂

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

If Levy accepted City offer we wouldn't have Haaland now at City. 

[Mário César 1,232]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

If United don’t get him where else could he go? City don’t need a #9 obviously. Real Madrid don’t. Barca don’t. Juve are in the dumps. Bayern would probably love him but ain’t spending mega money I wouldn’t think.

If he’s adamant that he wants out I think ourselves and United are the only options. He probably fancies the PL record, too, so will want to stay in England.

no way levy sell kane to us

probably he would stay at tottenham but I can see United offer 100M pounds and get him 

[Henrique 9,133]

Kane is a loser. He isnt worth 100m.