The Next Manager?

[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I mean if anything it'll be a testament on our new directors/advisors on how well they rate talent. Nobody in their right mind would get rid of a young CB who genuinely has the potential to be the next Rio Ferdinand. 

You would hope so but I'm a little worried given how close we came to selling him last summer.

I would lose faith in the new manager instantly if it happens (unless they come out and explicitly state it was done over their head). I usually cringe at the Salah/KDB references whenever we're linked with selling an U25 but it would be fully justified here.

[MoroccanBlue 5,376]

27 minutes ago, Tomo said:

You would hope so but I'm a little worried given how close we came to selling him last summer.

I would lose faith in the new manager instantly if it happens (unless they come out and explicitly state it was done over their head). I usually cringe at the Salah/KDB references whenever we're linked with selling an U25 but it would be fully justified here.

There were reports of an option/obligation to buy with the loan but we immediately told Brighton to fuck off in that regard. 

Still believe he isn't going anywhere. 

[NikkiCFC 8,287]

50 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

_____________________ Pure Profit

 

Mount - 50m

Gallagher - 40m

Maatsen - 35m 

CHO - 10-15m

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Havertz - 35m

Ziyech - 20-30m

Pulisic - 20-30m

Ampadu - 10m

 

 

Best case scenario, maybe 250m for the lot? Reckon we will end up loaning the others. 

We already rejected 45m for Gallagher. Havertz would be 65-70 without a doubt. And read somewhere we would want 50m for Pulisic. And it makes sense since he is biggest American star. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,376]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

We already rejected 45m for Gallagher. Havertz would be 65-70 without a doubt. And read somewhere we would want 50m for Pulisic. And it makes sense since he is biggest American star. 

Who are the buyers for both Havertz and Pulisic?

[NikkiCFC 8,287]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Who are the buyers for both Havertz and Pulisic?

Bayern and Newcastle. Btw I don't buy rumours about no place for Havertz in Bayern. Moting is starter there. 

But he will stay anyway. 

[Mário César 1,238]

mount - 50M

gallegher - 50M

Pulisic - 25M

Ziyech - 25M

CHO - 20M

Mendy-  20M

Kepa - 15M

[DDA 9,924]

1 hour ago, Mário César said:

mount - 50M

gallegher - 50M

Pulisic - 25M

Ziyech - 25M

CHO - 20M

Mendy-  20M

Kepa - 15M

Mount and Gallagher are not the same price bro.

[Superblue 6,372]

6 hours ago, Tomo said:

You would hope so but I'm a little worried given how close we came to selling him last summer.

I would lose faith in the new manager instantly if it happens (unless they come out and explicitly state it was done over their head). I usually cringe at the Salah/KDB references whenever we're linked with selling an U25 but it would be fully justified here.

Just how close did we get though.

The end result was we were willing to pay even more for Cucurella so we didn't sell Colwill and instead loaned him out with no option.

There's been no rumours currently suggesting we'd sell him despite all this talk about having to sell for FFP, and the only news I've seen has been expectations that we're looking to tie him down to a long term contract.

He might be loaned out for one more year if we can't move one or two defenders on, but I don't see a scenario where we sell him. 

[Superblue 6,372]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

_____________________ Pure Profit

 

Mount - 50m

Gallagher - 40m

Maatsen - 35m 

CHO - 10-15m

______________________________________

Havertz - 35m

Ziyech - 20-30m

Pulisic - 20-30m

Ampadu - 10m

 

 

Best case scenario, maybe 250m for the lot? Reckon we will end up loaning the others. 

Well the first players to look at will be those with contracts expiring in 2024:

Thiago Silva will be staying and continue to be season to season.

Azpi and Auba I think will likely be moved on for small fees, or possibly even given free transfers. If we can milk a few million for each, even in add ons, bonuses then great.

Loftus Cheek will likely be sold, although I believe the club has an option for another year. I think in the past his wages and possible reluctance to move has prevented anything so not sure how easy he'd be to sell. Perhaps the club's price tag on him has always been prohibitive. With a year left, if we could sell him for £10-15m I think the club would do it.

Kova I think depends on the new manager and if he wants to sign a new deal. If not, then I think he'll be sold in the summer and I would assume we could look at somewhere around £20-25m for him. 

Pulisic I think will be sold. His FFP value will be around the £10m mark, so if we can get upwards of that will be good. Considering his age, marketing potential, etc someone might take a punt on him at around £20m? There is a player in there, just a very inconsistent one and probably someone who'd actually thrive more playing for perhaps a slightly lesser team but playing regularly.

Mount is the big one. I do think the club want him to re-sign. However if he is reluctant, the club has no other option. If we can get £40-50m for him this summer compared to nothing the next it's a complete no brainer as that could be the difference this season between being able to sign a striker or not.

Deal with these first, and then assess the rest. But I think for the most part your list would be what I would expect to see. Ampadu, CHO and Maatsen I think will be sold. Ziyech will leave too. A decision will need to be made on Lukaku if Inter, looking likely, don't take anything up for him. I think the likes of Gallagher and Havertz will be dependent on the new manager. If Colwill is coming back in, I think a centre back will need moving out too to make way. Koulibaly would seem the obvious choice but I also wouldn't be surprised if Chalobah moved on.

[Mário César 1,238]

53 minutes ago, DDA said:

Mount and Gallagher are not the same price bro.

Mount only have one year of contract with us 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

On 09/04/2023 at 19:04, Gundalf said:

So basically he says that he cant develop the players that are already here and demands a new squad with him in charge over transfers? 

If true he can fuck right off.

What did you expect? 🤣

Look at Enrique’s record as a manager at Roma & Barca. He had a massive say on transfers (and also, a lot of them bombed). Not like Boehly & co’s recruitment dream team have done great either with Fernandez and Badiashile the only ones who look decent so far so anyone coming in will want an input of some sort. Particularly this manager who has a ‘big reputation’.

Plus the wide options are poor if we are going to play either 433 - his favoured system. Even more so considering Ziyech and Pulisic will leave. Mudryk has been utter shite too.

But yeah wasn’t that excited about Enrique coming in partly because of his transfer record and boring brand, sterile brand of football with Spain. I do feel that it is strange he has never managed at a club since Barca. If he was that good he would of managed another big club, you’d think? I mean I don’t think anybody would of had issues with that front 3 he had. 

[Superblue 6,372]

10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

But yeah wasn’t that excited about Enrique coming in partly because of his transfer record and boring brand, sterile brand of football with Spain. I do feel that it is strange he has never managed at a club since Barca. If he was that good he would of managed another big club, you’d think? I mean I don’t think anybody would of had issues with that front 3 he had. 

But he's gone from Barcelona to a year out to the Spanish national team which he's only just left so the question marks over another big club are arguable as it's not like he's been in unemployment during that time.

His personal life will have no doubt played a massive part in any decision making over the last few seasons too. Coaching a national team was likelier a much preferred option and when he returned I would expect he felt a sense of loyalty to finishing the job with the national team after they gave him the break away he needed.

The problem I think is that of the main 'contenders' for the job, they all have different strengths and what I would say are perceived weaknesses until they prove otherwise. Luis Enrique will always have that Barca team used against him in a way of 'anyone could win with that team' but you still have to go and win nonetheless, and it was done in an extremely impressive, relentless, dominating way.

You could argue Poch had a similarly talented front 3 at PSG and struggled to get it to work. I actually think his work at Spurs was better than perhaps some might give him credit for, but ultimately he didn't win anything and when they did get into positions to they completely froze as a club. His stint at PSG was average at best and I think he struggled under the increased pressure and expectancy there. It could be argued that Nagelsmann found it similarly difficult at Bayern, and both have thrived at clubs that are a little beneath that top tier. 

Does either have that true winning mentality and desire at the very top level that Luis Enrique has shown previously at Barca? Or would one of them be a better fit for our squad which probably needs a bit of time, patience and development?

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25 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

 

I posted this in transfer news but it is better here. I just cant see that you have managers that the players will never question and our board is thinking about a manager that most have no idea about? It has to be click bait.