LAM09 7,077 Posted April 11, 2024 Share Posted April 11, 2024 1 hour ago, Vytis33 said: So much for him "not being good enough." He was never given a chance at Forrest, so his loan spell was always destined to fail. Vesper and Reddish-Blue 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,558 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 (edited) 19 hours ago, LAM09 said: So much for him "not being good enough." He was never given a chance at Forrest, so his loan spell was always destined to fail. I have always been a booster of him. I wanted to buy him, and have said that Sporting (they only had one CMF on their roster then, in summer 2023, the £4m Daniel Bragança) would have been the ideal loan. Superb manager, especially with youth, Portuguese speaking country, and little competition for playing time at that point. Edited April 12, 2024 by Vesper LAM09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,077 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 3 hours ago, Vesper said: I have always been a booster of him. I wanted to buy him, and have said that Sporting (they only had one CMF on their roster then, in summer 2023, the £4m Daniel Bragança) would have been the ideal loan. Superb manager, especially with youth, Portuguese speaking country, and little competition for playing time at that point. I heard rumours about Porto being interested in him (I wasn't aware Sporting were too) and thought a move to Portugal would have been perfect as it would have been easier to adjust, which you alluded to too. It appears that whoever agrees to these loan deals either has little knowledge of football or is solely motivated by money; just look at Broja's loan terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,955 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 19 minutes ago, LAM09 said: I heard rumours about Porto being interested in him (I wasn't aware Sporting were too) and thought a move to Portugal would have been perfect as it would have been easier to adjust, which you alluded to too. It appears that whoever agrees to these loan deals either has little knowledge of football or is solely motivated by money; just look at Broja's loan terms. Porto were genuinely interested as well as an Italian team, can’t remember the name. Him going to Sporting only ever seemed to be touted on here - never seen or heard anything credible about them wanting him. Footballing department has a lot to answer for transfer/loan wise. LAM09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,077 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 12 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Porto were genuinely interested as well as an Italian team, can’t remember the name. Him going to Sporting only ever seemed to be touted on here - never seen or heard anything credible about them wanting him. Footballing department has a lot to answer for transfer/loan wise. A quick search said both Milan sides were interested in him. Let's not forget about the rumoured Barcelona interest. For arguments sake, they were all interested in him, including both Portuguese giants; it doesn't take a football fanatic to know where he'd most likely play the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,462 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: I heard rumours about Porto being interested in him (I wasn't aware Sporting were too) and thought a move to Portugal would have been perfect as it would have been easier to adjust, which you alluded to too. It appears that whoever agrees to these loan deals either has little knowledge of football or is solely motivated by money; just look at Broja's loan terms. 38 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Porto were genuinely interested as well as an Italian team, can’t remember the name. Him going to Sporting only ever seemed to be touted on here - never seen or heard anything credible about them wanting him. Footballing department has a lot to answer for transfer/loan wise. There's a quote on previous page from Santos that he wanted PL loan and he pushed for Nottingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 22 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: There's a quote on previous page from Santos that he wanted PL loan and he pushed for Nottingham. Doubt he handpicked Nottingham forest out by himself , he was probably presented with some options , forest should never have been on the table LAM09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,077 Posted April 12, 2024 Share Posted April 12, 2024 28 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: There's a quote on previous page from Santos that he wanted PL loan and he pushed for Nottingham. Echoing what Lucio said, I don't think he chose them specifically. I'd imagine a few EPL were interested in him, and seeing as Forrest likes to throw money around, they offered the most, and the rest is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,598 Posted April 13, 2024 Share Posted April 13, 2024 4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: There's a quote on previous page from Santos that he wanted PL loan and he pushed for Nottingham. Which is interesting as their manager at the time didn't even care about him, he basically said they got Santos for cheap squad depth and their preference was to play their permanent players. I doubt Santos 'pushed' for Nottingham, more like his advisors or the club agreed to that loan as they were willing to pay wages/loan fee etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vytis33 1,327 Posted May 12, 2024 Share Posted May 12, 2024 ZAPHOD2319 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,848 Posted May 15, 2024 Author Share Posted May 15, 2024 Fernando and Vesper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,591 Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 He is ready to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nyikolajevics 2,753 Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 31 minutes ago, TheHulk said: He is ready to come back. Not so familar with RSC but if Kevin Gameiro is their second best player.. then I am not very amused about the fact Santos is their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,955 Posted May 27, 2024 Share Posted May 27, 2024 (edited) On 15/05/2024 at 19:04, ZAPHOD2319 said: Young midfielder does things any midfielder should do and gets an OTT post on twitter about it. I wonder if he will remain in France for another season with Angelo. Probably be a wise move in all fairness if he’s getting games. Edited May 27, 2024 by OneMoSalah Mhsc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,110 Posted May 27, 2024 Share Posted May 27, 2024 21 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Young midfielder does things any midfielder should do and gets an OTT post on twitter about it. I wonder if he will remain in France for another season with Angelo. Probably be a wise move in all fairness if he’s getting games. Definitely, until a club comes in to buy him. Surely he's never playing for Chelsea now unless he becomes literally world class, given what we've spent in CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,955 Posted May 27, 2024 Share Posted May 27, 2024 22 minutes ago, Mhsc said: Definitely, until a club comes in to buy him. Surely he's never playing for Chelsea now unless he becomes literally world class, given what we've spent in CM. Yeah I would think so. Would be surprised if he’s going to become a top top player either. Maybe he proves me wrong but I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,374 Posted May 27, 2024 Share Posted May 27, 2024 2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Yeah I would think so. Would be surprised if he’s going to become a top top player either. Maybe he proves me wrong but I am not sure. how do you know? he is still very young. Maybe he can be a very good surprise in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,955 Posted May 28, 2024 Share Posted May 28, 2024 22 hours ago, Mário César said: how do you know? he is still very young. Maybe he can be a very good surprise in the future He doesn’t look like the sort who will. But yes he could do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,316 Posted May 28, 2024 Share Posted May 28, 2024 34 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: He doesn’t look like the sort who will. But yes he could do so. Players take different lengths of time to mature or come into there own, Palmer for example did ok at man city then came here and blew us away this season, circumstances can turn a players career just like that. And another thing is what your comparing world class too? Modric? Kante? Rodri? Bellingham? How far back do we go to compare other players to? I am genuinely interested in that question because imo the level of player has dropped significantly over the years, to be a good football these days you need to be an athlete first and foremost, most of the skill has completely left the game imo Fernando and nyikolajevics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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