Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,150]

2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

Is this striker also under 25 years of age?

no

he misses the stupid 25yo and under cut-off (it should have been 26yo and under, with exceptions (27yo to 30yo depending on the player) made for GK, CB, and CF)

he would have made that revised cut-off

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Vesper

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I mean hate to sound all doom and gloom but if we are truly limiting ourselves to signing players under 25 for whatever reason then we will win nothing anytime soon. Just reeks of Arsenal under Wenger, good team in 3 or 4 years but lose their key players eventually as they don’t compete, rinse & repeat…

Sometimes you need to get a couple of those guys in their best years and very rarely are footballers in their highest level under the age of 25. The likes of Cesc and Costa coming to us in 14/15 is the perfect example when Jose signed them. The season before we were a “little horse” as Jose put it himself, those 2, Filipe Luis, Drogba and the return of Courtois elevated the group alongside JM. Not to mention the signing of Matic in January the year before hugely contributed. Not any of them barring Tibo were under 25.

Exceptions have to be made. If we prioritise signing players who aren’t close to proven in certain areas and just have a constant revolving door of unproven and “could be greats” then we will not make sufficient enough progress. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 30,150]

29 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Filipe Luis

was a big bust in 2014/15

only played 15 league games, 937 league minutes, no league goals or assists, and was gone the next season

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, Vesper said:

was a big bust in 2014/15

only played 15 league games, 937 league minutes, no league goals or assists, and was gone the next season

 

Wasn’t a bust due to his performances though. Just never played ahead of Azpi due to Mourinho’s love for Ivanovic.

Whenever FL played he actually did well and didn’t look out of place at all despite the few that were concerned he wouldn’t be able to cope with the PL due to his age (mental considering how good he had been for Atleti in Spain & the CL).

People also forget how good Azpi was that season for Mourinho as a LB, IIRC at one point he was statistically the fullback with the best defensive stats in the PL & Europe at one point that season.

I mean if you look at how many games we lost that season with Azpi & Luis in the team, we lost 3 with Azpi (although he played more) and 1 with Luis, keeping a lot of clean sheets in the process.

Then look at the outrage when we allowed him to leave and signed that dud Baha Rahmann… 

Edited September 7, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Mário César 1,250]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I mean hate to sound all doom and gloom but if we are truly limiting ourselves to signing players under 25 for whatever reason then we will win nothing anytime soon. Just reeks of Arsenal under Wenger, good team in 3 or 4 years but lose their key players eventually as they don’t compete, rinse & repeat…

Sometimes you need to get a couple of those guys in their best years and very rarely are footballers in their highest level under the age of 25. The likes of Cesc and Costa coming to us in 14/15 is the perfect example when Jose signed them. The season before we were a “little horse” as Jose put it himself, those 2, Filipe Luis, Drogba and the return of Courtois elevated the group alongside JM. Not to mention the signing of Matic in January the year before hugely contributed. Not any of them barring Tibo were under 25.

Exceptions have to be made. If we prioritise signing players who aren’t close to proven in certain areas and just have a constant revolving door of unproven and “could be greats” then we will not make sufficient enough progress. 

exactly

its a badly insane approach 

even in our 09/10 title we had a lot of experience 

no way we can fight for a title with this kind of mentality

[Reddish-Blue 2,501]

12 hours ago, DDA said:

What's the talk of us being interested in Nottingham Forests striker??

For fuck sakes man can we aim a little higher. 

 

Who are you expecting to attract to the club? 

Funny thing is, we probably needed that Forest striker more than Jackson right now....i.e. someone that can come in and be that physical presence up front. 

We signed a project striker for our 'rebuild'.....when all of our traditional rivals for the top 6 have top class players up front.  Haaland - Alvarez/Foden, Bruno - Rashford,  Salah/Jota/Nunez, Jesus/Saka/Martinelli, Son. 

[Thor 2,693]

2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Who are you expecting to attract to the club? 

Funny thing is, we probably needed that Forest striker more than Jackson right now....i.e. someone that can come in and be that physical presence up front. 

We signed a project striker for our 'rebuild'.....when all of our traditional rivals for the top 6 have top class players up front.  Haaland - Alvarez/Foden, Bruno - Rashford,  Salah/Jota/Nunez, Jesus/Saka/Martinelli, Son. 

Project striker? Jackson was scoring goals at a similar or better rate than just about everyone you mentioned and their move to their club aside from Haaland. 

Sterling was more consistent and had better numbers than all the guys you listed. It isn't the players. Its the tactics, culture and rebuilding aspect of it. Y'all just want immediate results. It ain't happening. 

Haaland has missed plenty of sitters and penalties, but the shit doesn't matter when his team can create for him over and over. Y'all see Jackson have one bad miss and its doom and gloom. He and Sterling have been our best players this year. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

4 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Who are you expecting to attract to the club? 

Funny thing is, we probably needed that Forest striker more than Jackson right now....i.e. someone that can come in and be that physical presence up front. 

We signed a project striker for our 'rebuild'.....when all of our traditional rivals for the top 6 have top class players up front.  Haaland - Alvarez/Foden, Bruno - Rashford,  Salah/Jota/Nunez, Jesus/Saka/Martinelli, Son. 

yup. Everyone we signed is a "project" including Jackson. Each has more or less potential, but that's the type of signing the club is after these days. Got to have blind faith in a leadership who hasn't earned it yet.

I still think jackson can deliver, but he does have to hone his a game a bit as I've been saying elsewhere; what helped villareal may not help Chelsea in the PL. It's really a case of different requirements for the same job.

There is also a point that these top scorer simply aren't available, so you've got to make some bets. 

[lluubbeenn 173]

13 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I mean hate to sound all doom and gloom but if we are truly limiting ourselves to signing players under 25 for whatever reason then we will win nothing anytime soon. Just reeks of Arsenal under Wenger, good team in 3 or 4 years but lose their key players eventually as they don’t compete, rinse & repeat…

Sometimes you need to get a couple of those guys in their best years and very rarely are footballers in their highest level under the age of 25. The likes of Cesc and Costa coming to us in 14/15 is the perfect example when Jose signed them. The season before we were a “little horse” as Jose put it himself, those 2, Filipe Luis, Drogba and the return of Courtois elevated the group alongside JM. Not to mention the signing of Matic in January the year before hugely contributed. Not any of them barring Tibo were under 25.

Exceptions have to be made. If we prioritise signing players who aren’t close to proven in certain areas and just have a constant revolving door of unproven and “could be greats” then we will not make sufficient enough progress. 

I cant say I completely agree with your point. Yes, we are buying young players, but we are not in the market for bargains per say. We spend a lot of money on players who on paper are the absolute best in their age group. It is a big gamble, but we can easily buy 2-3 ready made players when the dust settles and we can analyze the squad. Here comes the role of Poch to keep players happy. The ones who preform on the expected level(Enzo) must be kept motivated and believing in the project. As long as he manages that, I think we will be alright. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,501]

3 hours ago, Thor said:

Sterling was more consistent and had better numbers than all the guys you listed

During his time at City, absolutely.   If his numbers were that good at Chelsea, we wouldn't have struggled that badly last season. 

3 hours ago, Thor said:

Haaland has missed plenty of sitters and penalties, but the shit doesn't matter when his team can create for him over and over. Y'all see Jackson have one bad miss and its doom and gloom

You can't honestly be comparing a 25+ goal a season striker with Jackson?    

3 hours ago, Thor said:

Project striker? Jackson was scoring goals at a similar or better rate than just about everyone you mentioned and their move to their club aside from Haaland. 

And that is the problem.  Jackson barely had 1 season of top flight football under his belt and now he's expected to lead the front line and score goals on a regular basis for a club that should be fighting for a top 4 place in the PL. 

In 2 seasons time, Jackson may become the striker we are all hoping for....but we needed someone to ease the pressure right now and that's not Jackson. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,270]

2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

should be fighting for a top 4 place in the PL.

Should is the key word here, there are now plenty of teams fighting for top 4, 

Man city

Arsenal

Newcastle

Brighton 

Man utd 

Spurs 

Aston villa 

Chelsea 

Liverpool

That's 9 teams fighting for 4 places, so that's 9 teams that SHOULD be fighting for top 4, it's no longer a given any more that Chelsea will be a top 4 team, other teams half been rebuilding and putting squads together for years now, while we sat back buying the odd bit part player. Now all of a sudden we have done a huge overhaul of the club so many out so many in, just because we spent 1 billion means fuck all that's just the price it's cost to get rid and bring in, all these players are young and inexperienced for NOW, few years time they will have the experience and will have grown as players that we should be technically fighting for the title by then. Unfortunately time has to be given and if people can't soon get to grips with this fact and spend all there energy and time banging on about money we have spent etc etc, then the next few years are going to be torture for you.

Edited September 8, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

We can finish 5th and qualify for the CL 🙂

[Reddish-Blue 2,501]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Should is the key word here, there are now plenty of teams fighting for top 4, 

Man city

Arsenal

Newcastle

Brighton 

Man utd 

Spurs 

Aston villa 

Chelsea 

Liverpool

That's 9 teams fighting for 4 places, so that's 9 teams that SHOULD be fighting for top 4, it's no longer a given any more that Chelsea will be a top 4 team, other teams half been rebuilding and putting squads together for years now, while we sat back buying the odd bit part player. Now all of a sudden we have done a huge overhaul of the club so many out so many in, just because we spent 1 billion means fuck all that's just the price it's cost to get rid and bring in, all these players are young and inexperienced for NOW, few years time they will have the experience and will have grown as players that we should be technically fighting for the title by then. Unfortunately time has to be given and if people can't soon get to grips with this fact and spend all there energy and time banging on about money we have spent etc etc, then the next few years are going to be torture for you.

Unfortunately, time has never been given to any Chelsea manager....especially when they can't get wins on the board.   I doubt it's going to be any different for Poch.   We saw what the American ownership did with Potter and if Poch can't get a tune out of this group, it's hard to say if he will still be manager next season. 

I actually like the rebuild that was undertaken (for the most part)....not sure why we needed 3 midfielders who essentially play the same role (on paper) but other than that, pretty happy with the youngsters we've got. 

[Thor 2,693]

4 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

During his time at City, absolutely.   If his numbers were that good at Chelsea, we wouldn't have struggled that badly last season. 

You can't honestly be comparing a 25+ goal a season striker with Jackson?    

And that is the problem.  Jackson barely had 1 season of top flight football under his belt and now he's expected to lead the front line and score goals on a regular basis for a club that should be fighting for a top 4 place in the PL. 

In 2 seasons time, Jackson may become the striker we are all hoping for....but we needed someone to ease the pressure right now and that's not Jackson. 

My point with your post is - the players you listed as great players - half of them weren't so before they came to these clubs. They grew into their roles and as goal scorers after getting there. 

Jackson was as much of a goal scorer as the likes of a lot of the other players you listed outside of Haaland. I wasn't comparing him to Haaland. Opposite. 

 

The players aren't performing not because of the players they are, but because of the tactics and hole we were in as a club tactically, but also as an operation. We have the players and talent to have our striker score 20 a season, and our wingers chip in with double digits. The players need to play and be given time, and formation sink in, and the culture change.  

[YorkshireBlue 3,270]

3 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Unfortunately, time has never been given to any Chelsea manager....especially when they can't get wins on the board.   I doubt it's going to be any different for Poch.   We saw what the American ownership did with Potter and if Poch can't get a tune out of this group, it's hard to say if he will still be manager next season. 

I actually like the rebuild that was undertaken (for the most part)....not sure why we needed 3 midfielders who essentially play the same role (on paper) but other than that, pretty happy with the youngsters we've got. 

Well if we don't ever give a manager time then this rebuild will be for absolutely nothing.