Chelsea Transfers

[1905didierblue 748]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

He would of been a squad player for Liverpool. I would argue Joe Gomez is the better option for their 3rd CB and hes already there.... just fitness that is preventing him from kicking on.

You said Ake is brilliant, he is not brilliant, he is average. Im done with us buying average players and everyone else should be. Batshuayi, Bakayoko, Zappacosta, Drinkwater, Barkley... for me Ake fits right in there and our underperforming defenders dont make him seem any more attractive an option in me.

Southampton werent great defensively with Van Dijk? They were good enough defensively before van Dijk. Did you watch them under Koeman? Before van Dijk they had Toby Alderwereild and Jose Font at CB? Ryan Bertrand and Nathaniel Clyne at fullback. Fraser Forster in net. Wanyama and Schneiderlin in MF. They were very very solid, finished 7th and conceded only 33 goals. The first season they had van Dijk, they finished 6th again conceding 41 goals. Season after with Claude Puel finished 7th conceding 48 goals. His last season they struggled but he left in January and had clearly outgrown them. I really dont think Ake has outgrown Bournemouth at all. 

Anyway, like I said, you said Ake is brilliant but now your saying he is not so what is it? He isnt a real improvement on any our of CBs imo. Christensen was the second coming of christ when he came back after his loan spell in Germany. His performances under Conte at first were better than anything Ake has produced in his entire career. Zouma last season at Everton looked every bit better than Ake. Rudiger is miles ahead of him. Maybe hes an improvement on Tomori or Guehi but they are kids.

A back up for 50/60mil? I don't think so, infact no where near to it.

He is higher in priority than de vrij in the Dutch national team, the same de vrij who is on a lot of fans' bucket list. 

As for comparison with zouma and ake. I seriously don't know what you are talking about. I mean his understanding of the game, ball playing ability, even leadership is miles ahead of those 2. Zouma might have been good at everton but no where near ake, who has been brilliant and a mainstay for Bournemouth. And that is the reason who was/is getting rumored with a lot of big clubs (2 of the best clubs on this planet at the moment - pool and city). Goes on to say a lot about his quality.

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I'm unsure about Ake but using Christensen and/or Zouma as comparison is not a great benchmark, is it? 

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7 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

A back up for 50/60mil? I don't think so, infact no where near to it.

He is higher in priority than de vrij in the Dutch national team, the same de vrij who is on a lot of fans' bucket list. 

As for comparison with zouma and ake. I seriously don't know what you are talking about. I mean his understanding of the game, ball playing ability, even leadership is miles ahead of those 2. Zouma might have been good at everton but no where near ake, who has been brilliant and a mainstay for Bournemouth. And that is the reason who was/is getting rumored with a lot of big clubs (2 of the best clubs on this planet at the moment - pool and city). Goes on to say a lot about his quality.

And wait and see, the only bigger club who will consider buying him is us due to a buy back clause. 

No chance Pool or City will sign him as a regular player. He counts as home grown which is a plus and he will undoubtedly be a squad player at those teams although even then is he better than Van Dijk, Joe Gomez or Joel Matip or Laporte, Nicolas Otamendi or John Stones? Who would be his competition at those clubs? Zouma had a good few games before this bad spell. Yes hes not the right answer in the long run either is Christensen as such unless he dramatically bulks up and improves. Zouma has limitations on the ball and positionally but Ake is far from "brilliant"..... if he couldnt be a mainstay at Bournemouth I would seriously be questioning his ability. Their goals against record since being in the PL is pretty bad.

We should be going for a top end CB, not someone who is better than Zouma or Christensen but someone who is arguably at Rudigers level or better than. Ake is certainly not.

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8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

And wait and see, the only bigger club who will consider buying him is us due to a buy back clause. 

No chance Pool or City will sign him as a regular player. He counts as home grown which is a plus and he will undoubtedly be a squad player at those teams although even then is he better than Van Dijk, Joe Gomez or Joel Matip or Laporte, Nicolas Otamendi or John Stones? Who would be his competition at those clubs? Zouma had a good few games before this bad spell. Yes hes not the right answer in the long run either is Christensen as such unless he dramatically bulks up and improves. Zouma has limitations on the ball and positionally but Ake is far from "brilliant"..... if he couldnt be a mainstay at Bournemouth I would seriously be questioning his ability. Their goals against record since being in the PL is pretty bad.

We should be going for a top end CB, not someone who is better than Zouma or Christensen but someone who is arguably at Rudigers level or better than. Ake is certainly not.

Will suffice to say that we view ake very differently. 

Pointing to Bournemouth goals conceded is definitely not fair in my books due to their lack of quality anywhere on the pitch.

I think he would be a definite starter for any club other than pool and city and even city I am not so sure. John stones, really? Yiu think ake is not better than stones. Well, just shows how different our evaluation of the player is. He is definitely better than the dross at North London clubs, the red of Manchester and most of our options. I can see why we would want him. A poor left footed LCB, something that we sorely lack. Add his other qualities too and you can see why even pool and city were behind him. 

Lastly, vardy has not played for a top 6 side, probably would never start for one too, does not mean he is not a "brilliant," striker. 

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22 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

I dont we can call AKE a panic buy. He is a brilliant player who if we can offload Andreas and get him, it would be a perfect replacement. Him and Rudi would form a good partnership

Borderline. He is a good player. The best thing about Ake is he is comfortable with the ball at his feet. So often when we play out of the back, someone like Ake would thrive in that position I think. He can also fill in at left-back and defensive midfield  and seems available which makes this all appealing. But I would rather sign a top CB and top LB if they are available. 

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A factor that hasn't been mentioned yet, I think, is that whether we get our main targets in the summer may well depend on where we finish. If we finish in the Top 4, then no issues there (it'll come down to the fee, convincing players to join etc). If we don't, well, there will be problems. 

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The problem is what center back is available in January? 
Koulibaly is in bad form a lot of Reporters in Italy are saying so are Chelsea going to spend big money on 28 going on 29 year old in poor form? 
Ake could improve us or it could be more of the same. 

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Nathan Aké is left footed

Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?

I do not know the answer.

Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?

He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Nathan Aké is left footed

Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?

I do not know the answer.

Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?

He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.

One thought that did enter my mind was whether we brought him back in January with the intention of playing centre back long term but for the rest of this season he operated at left back but like you I don't know how comfortable he is playing there.

It's not much of an issue for most players to 'fill in' for a game or two in a different position when needed but playing there regularly, would he be any better than what we already have?

He's an interesting option (at centre back). I personally like him and I do think he has the attributes to make the step up but until you take that punt on some players you don't know. There's a lot of question marks too about bringing somebody in from abroad, especially in January and expecting them to adapt to the league immediately so that brings absolutely no guarantee either.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

A factor that hasn't been mentioned yet, I think, is that whether we get our main targets in the summer may well depend on where we finish. If we finish in the Top 4, then no issues there (it'll come down to the fee, convincing players to join etc). If we don't, well, there will be problems. 

We did buy Kante the year we weren't in Europe from at the time a Champions League team, and I'm sure other teams would have been in for him.

I think we are at a stage now where there is a pretty reasonable amount of 'pulling power' whether we have the incentive of European football or not. Not the level of pull United might have, but I think targets could still be enticed if they were already interested in a move.

The other thing depending on the profile of player we are after is we should be quite an attractive proposition now for younger players who will look at the group we have and the chances they are being afforded. Although saying that, it's a couple of players in their prime mid 20's we could probably do with buying!

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7 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

 

Lastly, vardy has not played for a top 6 side, probably would never start for one too, does not mean he is not a "brilliant," striker. 

Vardy has been the CF for a title winning side and is now the striker for the 2nd place team (and the only side with a even a remote chance to catch the dippers)

in his current form he would start for all but a few (VERY few) clubs

he is streets ahead (strictly speaking of the present) in terms of returns of Lacazette and Arse plays 2 strikers at times

he would start for Manure (they are starting Martial as their CF)

he would be devastating on Shitty, although would not bench a healthy Aguero atm

if Vardy was 23 to 26yo and in the same form he is now, he would go for £150m plus now (English, tracking to 35 plus league goals, relentless, sniper, so pacey (even at 32 he is still so fast)

 

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Don't make stupid January purchases!
It's a miracle to get a good deal in January.

If necessary, if possible, a smart loan.

All of Europe is waiting for our wallet right now.
Let's not be impulsive.

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Latest on Sancho...

https://theathletic.com/1422975/2019/12/09/gladbach-win-sends-out-message-to-the-entire-bundesliga-bayerns-stranglehold-on-the-title-is-finally-coming-to-an-end/

In Westphalia, 81,000 fans witnessed another “San-show” (copyright Bild). The 19-year-old scored two goals and made another to put a dampener on rumours of a breakdown in relations between him and Lucien Favre.

It’s true that the Swiss manager had suspended the winger for a Bundesliga game after he had returned late from England duty in October, and he had also benched him for the first half in the 3-1 away defeat to Barcelona, explaining that he needed players who were “focused”. Yet Dortmund are bemused by suggestions that Sancho has felt victimised by the coach.

According to a source close to the dressing room, Favre had actually been prepared to overlook the minor infringement in the Catalan capital — Sancho had only been three minutes late to a meeting — but was urged to drop the youngster from the starting line-up by leading members of the dressing room.

“They felt that as a point of principle, his ill-discipline needed to be addressed, but without banishing him altogether,” a source told The Athletic. This explains why Mats Hummels approvingly spoke of Sancho having shown “a good reaction” after coming on in the second half at the Camp Nou.

Some staff members would like to see Sancho make more of an effort to fulfil non-sporting duties but there’s a realisation that his time at Signal Iduna Park is coming to an end next summer. Dortmund expect a bidding war by the Premier League’s leading clubs as his performances become more consistent, which is one of the reasons why it’s not in their interest to sell right now. A Christian Pulisic-type sale and lease-back arrangement like the €67 million deal that kept the Chelsea-bound American for a further six months in black and yellow colours in 2018-19 is seen as a theoretical option but also undesirable.

The odd problem with punctuality notwithstanding, Sancho is considered so important in the title race, and for Borussia reaching the existential target of fourth spot, that his departure in January is all but impossible. According to a source close to the club, BVB would only consider accepting “an astronomical bid” approaching €200 million to let him go in the winter transfer window.

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45 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

We did buy Kante the year we weren't in Europe from at the time a Champions League team, and I'm sure other teams would have been in for him.

I think we are at a stage now where there is a pretty reasonable amount of 'pulling power' whether we have the incentive of European football or not. Not the level of pull United might have, but I think targets could still be enticed if they were already interested in a move.

The other thing depending on the profile of player we are after is we should be quite an attractive proposition now for younger players who will look at the group we have and the chances they are being afforded. Although saying that, it's a couple of players in their prime mid 20's we could probably do with buying!

I'm not saying it's impossible but it'll certainly make the signing a lot tougher to get, especially if there are a lot of clubs after the same player. 

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200 millions.
Hahahaha

They want someone even more stupid than Barcelona when it was for Dembele.

 

P.S. And Dortmund never will win the title this year.

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1 hour ago, BDTips said:

200 millions.
Hahahaha

They want someone even more stupid than Barcelona when it was for Dembele.

 

P.S. And Dortmund never will win the title this year.

agreed

and the only player on the planet worth £200m+ is Mbappe, but his salary demands will be nearer to Messi-level than they are to Hazard-level, so his total 5 year price, IF you got him for ,£250m or so in total transfers fees would be half a billion quid if he accepted 1 million quid per week.

Messi makes CRAZY money in salary, bonuses and add-ons

a little over 100m euros per year (£88.4m)

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1088284/Lionel-Messi-wages-salary-earns-net-worth-Barcelona-contract

 

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

 

all I want is good faith, HARD attempts to sign (January or in the summer)

1 Sancho (unless Dortmund set his price well above £110 or £120m, if they want £150m or more they can go fuck themselves)  even £110m yields Dortmund atm 131m bloody euros. I SO hope we do NOT buy Zaha if we fail on Sancho, as Palace will never sell him for a fair price (40m or so) and even if we get him for around 50m, I have major doubts on him, he is playing like trash this year (tracking to 5 league goals, five league assists on a team that if they had won and not drawn with the horrid Watford side (he was rotten in that game), would be tied for the FIFTH most points in the EPL, trailing only us, Shitty, Leicester and the Dippers)

2 Chilwell (and if we fail I beg the club to buy either Telles (£33.5m RC) or Grimaldo (£50m RC) as Gaya is too expensive (£84m RC) and the drop-off after those 4 is massive atm in terms of players actually available, and even if EVERY SINGLE LB in Europe were available, the only names to add who are WC or at least a huge upgrade would be Robertson, David Alaba, Júnior Firpo, and Ferland Mendy, as Alex Sandro turns 30 in 13 months, and Jordi Alba is 31 in a few months..........MAYBE you could possibly add Sergio Reguilón (on loan at Sevilla from Real Madrid)

3 Werner and/or Håland  (crazy low COMBINED release clauses of only £42m for both) after them it is even more of  a crapshoot and the prices SKYROCKET

4 Romagnoli (try in January at least then in summer)  OR Skriniar (summer only is possible) OR Konate (again he can only be had in summer) to replace Zouma, AC can be sold and we buy Ake for around the same price as AC will fetch (maybe 5m additional max) Ruben Dias now has a 100m euro release clause, so he is off the table IMHO

extra:

5 A real crunching DMF-type (Thomas Partey with a low £42m release clause looks a steal) or barring that, a hybrid type like Camavinga (my personal choice) but I think this position will wait until 2021 unless a great deal comes along

 

I am not even going to get into the weeds or RB and Azpi, that subject has been beaten to death and a backup RB is the amongst the least of our worries atm, all I will say is I never want to see him at LB ever again, he is shambolic there

 

 

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Nathan Aké is left footed
Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?
I do not know the answer.
Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?
He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.

I have seen Ake play at LB when he went out on loan and he is a decent LB, but not a world class one. He can cross, has decent speed but he is not the best dribbler at LB, if I remember it right. But he was very good at defending. Very intelligent positional play and he won most of his tackles.

I like Ake at CB apart from the fact that he is a little bit small for CB. If he was 5 cm taller,he would be perfect for us. The good thing about Ake is that he has a high Level of football IQ. Lamps has to see if he likes his profile

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