Pizy 18,953 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 So are Russian players just forever trapped in that league because of something they may totally disagree with and not support? Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: Imagine getting rid of a Russian owner to then be replaced by Americans to then send 15m to Russia it's going to a bloody football team, not into the Russian war budget and £22m of our money IS going into the Ukrainian war budget, via Shakhtar's commitment what is actually funding Putin is the hundreds of billions being spent on Russian oil and gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,098 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: British tabloid and telly media culture is toxic shite ignore it I ignore it entirely, and am extremely skeptical of what is said on Twitter and other places too by so called ITKs. Seems like I am a lot more cynical than a lot of people but I really don't trust that any of these people know what is going on inside our club or between our club and others, easy to make up stories with no proof that sound plausible and profit off of it for these fakers IMO. No standards for journalistic integrity in the world today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pizy said: So are Russian players just forever trapped in that league because of something they may totally disagree with and not support? Yes. FIFA and their virtual signaling. But hey. Let's host the world cup in Qatar. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vesper said: it's going to a bloody football team, not into the Russian war budget and £22m of our money IS going into the Ukrainian war budget, via Shakhtar's commitment what is actually funding Putin is the hundreds of billions being spent on Russian oil and gas I don't make the rules lol, I can pretty much say with confidence, there is no way at the current stage we send 15m to Russia. The government put sanctions on an English football club owned by a Russian, do you really think they will then allow that English club to send 15m to Russia regardless of the reason? Edited January 17, 2023 by YorkshireBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: I don't make the rules lol, I can pretty much say with confidence, there is no way at the current stage we send 15m to Russia. The government put sanctions on an English football club owned by a Russian, do you really think they will then allow that English club to send 15m to Russia regardless of the reason? we shall see you sound giddy at the possibility of us being blocked in a SPORTING TRANSACTION smdh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,421 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Pizy said: More footage I watch of Caicedo the more I’m coming around on him. Got a bit more about him on the ball than I thought he did. I noticed that too.. maybe not the same engine as Kante but definitely more proactive and technical on the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pizy said: So are Russian players just forever trapped in that league because of something they may totally disagree with and not support? Pretty much yes, it's a prime example of diplomatic pressure. I guess they may move to Indian, Belarusian or maybe Chinese league without much issue. 11 minutes ago, Vesper said: it's going to a bloody football team, not into the Russian war budget Given how Russia works, that's not guaranteed. Plus football team is also part of economy that most of civilised world is trying to supress, not support. But it's all more of politics than football really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I find it hilarious that a few here who apparently had no issues with supporting a team owned by a Russian billionaire who literally was helping to fund Putin and Russian governmental entities for decades, are now developing cases of virtue signalling, tongue clucking, and moral compartmentalising over us trying to by a Russian teen creative MF for £12m smdh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vesper said: I find it hilarious that a few here who apparently had no issues with supporting a team owned by a Russian billionaire who literally was helping to fund Putin and Russian governmental entities for decades, are now developing cases of virtue signalling, tongue clucking, and moral compartmentalising over us trying to by a Russian teen creative MF for £12m smdh Are you thick? Did I say we better not send the money? Did I say I don't want us too? What I said is it won't happens because of politics. And reasons of the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 you know, the true PR win is us in the West stripping Russia of their best (by far) young outfield player I think another club should also move for the only other Russian player who interests me much atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Vesper said: I find it hilarious that a few here who apparently had no issues with supporting a team owned by a Russian billionaire who literally was helping to fund Putin and Russian governmental entities for decades, are now developing cases of virtue signalling, tongue clucking, and moral compartmentalising over us trying to by a Russian teen creative MF for £12m smdh Aren't you mixing some separate issues? I can actually imagine a lot of western people not knowing who and where from Abramovitch is, but still, it's bit different timeframe than Russian regime starting a war with borderline European country. But the ethical side of things it's not what I'm about - each to their own - I just find it hilariously delusional for people to think it's possible to conduct normal, multi-million dollar business with Russian entities right now because "footy is footy" and Russian players have nothing to do with it. For shit it's not. It's even funnier, given our owner is American. Even if they'd find some loophole, it would cause a massive backlash and shit storm all over the world. And I don't even mean media or normal people. Remember the UK gov crackdown on us due to Skripal thing? Since then they were looking to topple this club over. And we could have this x5, including the same crackdown on TB from American side. YorkshireBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said: Are you thick? Did I say we better not send the money? Did I say I don't want us too? What I said is it won't happens because of politics. And reasons of the government. lol Yep, that's me, thick as a brick. 🤪 They even wrote music about me 22 years before I was born, cuz they knew I was coming. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Vesper said: lol Yep, that's me, thick as a brick. 🤪 They even wrote music about me 22 years before I was born, cuz they knew I was coming. Well clearly you just like putting words in people's mouths, what I was implying was the club will not send money to Russia and the chances are the UK government will not allow it either. I get you want the player, I would like him here too but as it stands I believe there is no chance we will get him this window or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, YorkshireBlue said: Well clearly you just like putting words in people's mouths, what I was implying was the club will not send money to Russia and the chances are the UK government will not allow it either. I get you want the player, I would like him here too but as it stands I believe there is no chance we will get him this window or next. I mentioned no names you are the one having a go and getting personal in terms of insults I mentioned no specific names and it was not a direct 'quote reply' to anyone ironic that you are positing that I am putting words into people's mouths when you just did exactly that with me this is what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vesper said: I mentioned no names you are the one having a go and getting personal in terms of insults I mentioned no specific names and it was not a direct 'quote reply' to anyone ironic that you are positing that I am putting words into people's mouths when you just did exactly that with me this is what I said You quoted me and made out I was getting excited about the fact it may get blocked, so the no names thing is irrelevant, especially when it's clear as day the ones your refering too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vesper said: Yes brilliant player, but unfortunately won't be any where near this club, due to reason out of our control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,226 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said: Yes brilliant player, but unfortunately won't be any where near this club, due to reason out of our control. we shall see as I said before I have faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,279 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: we shall see as I said before I have faith Think this might just take more than faith, I hope we get him I really do, I just can't see how this happens. Chelsea made a point with mudryk letting him walk in with the Ukrainian flag around him! To then sign a Russian player from russian, sorry I just can't see it. Edited January 17, 2023 by YorkshireBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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