Chelsea Transfers

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10 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

In football manager?

copycat, LOLOL

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21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

use Football Manager, lololol

Even there it won't work.

 

As for the Monaco CB, I am shocked we are in for him. We just signed three CBs in the summer.

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14 minutes ago, turgi said:

Even there it won't work.

 

As for the Monaco CB, I am shocked we are in for him. We just signed three CBs in the summer.

3?

we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly

both were mistakes

and we are already shopping KK   

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

3?

we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly

both were mistakes

and we are already shopping KK   

Koulibaly would have been an okay signing if he was here as a second choice CB. 

Back in the summer I wanted Skriniar here as first choice and KK as a 2nd choice. That way he wouldn't have been so exposed.

Too bad Fofana turned out to be injury prone like we feared.  

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1 hour ago, We Hate Scouse said:

Not buying this at all. Guy hasn't played in years and has had no affiliation with our current crop of players to suggest that they'd have a bond on that level to reveal that sort of information.

He's just spouting controversial shit, that's easy to believe to look interesting on a shitty YouTube podcast so he gets more screen time. Get in the sea you prick.

The fella is a complete bellend.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

we cocked it all up when Marina said Tchou was not ready 2 years ago

Why do you persist in believing Marina made decisions on football grounds? If she made any 'football' pronouncement it can only have been channelling Roman. It's probable that she had opinions of course. After all, she watched far more live football than many of us and we all have opinions. Having, or even offering, an opinion is one thing, making decisions is another.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

we could have gotten close to double for Kante what Tchou would have cost then and Kante was already exhibiting injuries in the 2019/20 season

You were absolutely right about this at the time. NG should have been sold in summer '21.

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Thought it was all but confirmed with was Tuchel and McLaughlan that decided to pursue Lukaku over Tchouameni given they felt the latter wasn’t ready and in the meantime get Saul on loan? 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

3?

we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly

both were mistakes

and we are already shopping KK   

Cucurella?

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Just now, turgi said:

Cucurella?

he is not a CB!

that is just gaslighting to try and claim that

lol

no matter how much people wish he was or claim he is, he is NOT a CB, even when he plays in a back 3 he doesnt play a true role, plus he is so short he make Lisandro Martinez look tall

IF we play him every game in back 3 or back 4 as a CB, we will finish down around 11th or so (at best)

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34 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Why do you persist in believing Marina made decisions on football grounds? If she made any 'football' pronouncement it can only have been channelling Roman. It's probable that she had opinions of course. After all, she watched far more live football than many of us and we all have opinions. Having, or even offering, an opinion is one thing, making decisions is another.

Matt Law settled that issue ages ago, she DID control football and transfer decisions

every few months (thankfully less lately) this always comes up

 

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22 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Matt Law settled that issue ages ago, she DID control football and transfer decisions

every few months (thankfully less lately) this always comes up

 

Thank you for answering my question and with a reasonable response. I do not believe Matt Law however. I don't recall reading what he had to say on the subject but, if I had, I'm sure that I would have found him to be using careful language. Just as careful as the language Romario used in the last few days when he 'announced' that the N'kunku deal had been completed. Everyone will have noticed how he skilfully danced around saying when this had happened. I took that dance as a further indicator that N'kunku's deal was completed months ago.

Meanwhile, I might believe Marina made the football decisions, i.e. deciding that player A was a better footballer than player B, when I hear Roman confirm it. In truth however, probably not even then. The notion that Roman would allow someone with no particular football knowledge to make a decision that he could otherwise have made himself, sounds as ludicrous to me as the idea that Chelsea would have carried out a medical on a player because they hoped to sign him 12 months later. Such a pointless, useless, waste of time and money, medical simply never made any sense. Nor does Matt Law's story about Marina playing Football manager with Roman's money. I won't accuse him of deliberately misleading people, but he may have been misled himself. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

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7 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Thank you for answering my question and with a reasonable response. I do not believe Matt Law however. I don't recall reading what he had to say on the subject but, if I had, I'm sure that I would have found him to be using careful language. Just as careful as Romario did in the last few days when he 'announced' that the N'kunku deal had been completed, but skilfully danced around saying when this had happened. I took that dance as a further indicator that N'kunku's deal was completed months ago.

Meanwhile, I might believe Marina made the football decisions, i.e. deciding that player A was better footballer than player B, when I hear Roman confirm it, but probably not even then. The notion that Roman would allow someone with no particular football knowledge to me a decision that he could otherwise have made himself sounds as ludicrous to me as the idea that Chelsea would have carried out a medical on a player because they hoped to sign him 12 months later. That simply never made any sense to me and nor does matt Law's story. I won't accuse him of deliberately misleading people, but that does not rule out that he may have been misled himself. 

start it around 8: 30 or so (the whole podcast is fascinating tbf)

he lays out a cogent case for it all (and this was not the first time he has talked about it)

Matt Law has zero reason to lie, for ages he was as close as one could get to be THE insider on Chels, in terms of reporters

She had to sign off on all major footballing decisions, including transfers, and of course she was in charge of contracts too

she was also the one who also flew off the Italy and had her road run by Juve, Inter, et al. going back to at least the Juve with that Alex Sandro nightmare ages ago

shew also turned down Real's £55m offter for Alonso and  Barcas £45m for Azpi back when we were just leaving Australia (pre season) years ago

I do not forget these things

 

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53 minutes ago, Vesper said:

he is not a CB!

that is just gaslighting to try and claim that

lol

no matter how much people wish he was or claim he is, he is NOT a CB, even when he plays in a back 3 he doesnt play a true role, plus he is so short he make Lisandro Martinez look tall

IF we play him every game in back 3 or back 4 as a CB, we will finish down around 11th or so (at best)

I don't know what he is to you. Since Potter arrival he is mainly playing at CB.

 

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34 minutes ago, Vesper said:

She had to sign off on all major footballing decisions, including transfers, and of course she was in charge of contracts too

she was also the one who also flew off the Italy and had her road run by Juve, Inter, et al. going back to at least the Juve with that Alex Sandro nightmare ages ago

shew also turned down Real's £55m offter for Alonso and  Barcas £45m for Azpi back when we were just leaving Australia (pre season) years ago

I do not forget these things

I have not listened to the podcast, and won't do so immediately but will respond when I have.

Meanwhile, none of the above offer any evidence, or even imply, that Marina made the football decisions. They only show she was responsible for enacting them once they had been made, and this we already knew because it was public knowledge. There is always an executive with responsibility for signing the cheques, and negotiating the deals. Marina was that person in the latter part of Roma's era. Settling the business of a transfer is a long way from actually deciding who to target or who to sell. Matt Law has his work cut out to persuade me that Marina decided to buy player A because she, not the manager, not Roman, and not any of his advisors, thought that player was a better footballer than player B.

Are people really asking me to believe that Roman, the Manager, and Petr liked Tchomeni, (SP?) but that Marina didn't buy him because she decided he wasn't good enough? Surely such a notion sounds just as ridiculous to everybody else, as it sounds to me. Marina enacted football decisions, she didn't make them.

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Just now, turgi said:

I don't know what he is to you. Since Potter arrival he is mainly playing at CB.

 

Really?

5 times at CB is mainly? and only 2 of those 5 were full game as a starter (one in the CL, one in that League Cup loss to Citeh)

you can call us buying a horse actually buying a duck, but that horse still wont have feathers and a bill, nor webbed feet

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4 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I have not listened to the podcast, and won't do so immediately but will respond when I have.

Meanwhile, none of the above offer any evidence, or even imply, that Marina made the football decisions. they only show she was responsible for enacting them and that we already knew because it was public knowledge. There is always an executive with responsibility for signing the cheques, and negotiating the deals. Marina was that person in the latter part of Roma's era. Settling the business of a transfer is a long way from actually deciding who to sign or who to sell however. Matt Law has his work cut out to persuade me that marina decided to buy player A because she, not the manager, not Roman, thought he was a better player than player B. To me anyway this sounds silly and impossible to believe.

I absolutely think she nixed some deals (sales and buys) and forced others through (mainly buys I wager), when the rubber met the road

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

I absolutely think she nixed some deals (sales and buys) and forced others through (mainly buys I wager), when the rubber met the road

I can't of course rule out that you are right, but I believe very strongly that you are wrong.

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Exclusive: Chelsea eye January loan deal for Joao Felix

A winger is high on Graham Potter's agenda in January, but he also wants a centre-back who can compete for a first-team place

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/12/26/Chelsea-transfer-news-graham-potter-eyes-joao-felix-january/

Chelsea are looking at a deal for Atletico Madrid Joao Felix on an initial loan to bolster Graham Potter’s attack for the second half of the season. 

Felix, 23, is available at the right price when the transfer window opens next week and, according to Spanish sources, Atletico are braced for an offer from Chelsea as they look to climb back into the Champions League places.  

 

Potter’s targets for January include a centre-back to compete for a first-team place but a winger is high on his agenda to support an attack that has scored 17 goals in the Premier League this season. 

 

Chelsea are considering a loan with an option or obligation to buy in the summer, depending on the terms Atletico want for Felix’s departure after the Portugal international’s four seasons in Madrid following his move from Benfica in a deal worth more than £100 million. 

 

After falling out of favour under Diego Simeone – he has only started one Champions League match since September – Atletico are not expecting to recoup the fee they paid in 2019, when Felix was also on the radar of other Premier League teams. 

 

While Chelsea’s rivals have been monitoring Felix, chairman Todd Boehly is believed to be willing to move swiftly for a deal. Felix would compete as a left-sided forward who can also play on the right, with Kai Havertz in the frame to play as a central forward.  

 

Despite being out of favour with his club, Félix started in four games at the World Cup for Portugal and scored in their opening victory over Ghana, with his reputation still high among clubs around Europe. 

 

With Potter looking to add a centre-back to his squad in January, Monaco’s Benoit Badiashile is in his sights, with the France international expected to cost more than £30m. Chelsea are long-term admirers of RB Leipzig’s Josko Gvardiol but the Croatia centre-back has other European teams now looking to compete for his signature.