TheHulk 2,482 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said: Maybe, but over the last two season he's been brilliant. In football manager? Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,327 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 33 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Kieron Dyer claims members of Chelsea squad have told him they don't rate Graham Potter and preferred playing for Thomas Tuchel, believing the former boss is 'on a different planet' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11494975/Kieron-Dyer-claims-Chelsea-squad-dont-rate-Graham-Potter-preferred-playing-Thomas-Tuchel.html Not buying this at all. Guy hasn't played in years and has had no affiliation with our current crop of players to suggest that they'd have a bond on that level to reveal that sort of information. He's just spouting controversial shit, that's easy to believe to look interesting on a shitty YouTube podcast so he gets more screen time. Get in the sea you prick. bigbluewillie, Vesper, DDA and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, We Hate Scouse said: Not buying this at all. Guy hasn't played in years and has had no affiliation with our current crop of players to suggest that they'd have a bond on that level to reveal that sort of information. He's just spouting controversial shit, that's easy to believe to look interesting on a shitty YouTube podcast so he gets more screen time. Get in the sea you prick. yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheHulk said: In football manager? copycat, LOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turgi 71 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, Vesper said: use Football Manager, lololol Even there it won't work. As for the Monaco CB, I am shocked we are in for him. We just signed three CBs in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, turgi said: Even there it won't work. As for the Monaco CB, I am shocked we are in for him. We just signed three CBs in the summer. 3? we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly both were mistakes and we are already shopping KK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: 3? we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly both were mistakes and we are already shopping KK Koulibaly would have been an okay signing if he was here as a second choice CB. Back in the summer I wanted Skriniar here as first choice and KK as a 2nd choice. That way he wouldn't have been so exposed. Too bad Fofana turned out to be injury prone like we feared. Edited December 27, 2022 by Blue Armour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, We Hate Scouse said: Not buying this at all. Guy hasn't played in years and has had no affiliation with our current crop of players to suggest that they'd have a bond on that level to reveal that sort of information. He's just spouting controversial shit, that's easy to believe to look interesting on a shitty YouTube podcast so he gets more screen time. Get in the sea you prick. The fella is a complete bellend. bigbluewillie and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Vesper said: we cocked it all up when Marina said Tchou was not ready 2 years ago Why do you persist in believing Marina made decisions on football grounds? If she made any 'football' pronouncement it can only have been channelling Roman. It's probable that she had opinions of course. After all, she watched far more live football than many of us and we all have opinions. Having, or even offering, an opinion is one thing, making decisions is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vesper said: we could have gotten close to double for Kante what Tchou would have cost then and Kante was already exhibiting injuries in the 2019/20 season You were absolutely right about this at the time. NG should have been sold in summer '21. Edited December 27, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Thought it was all but confirmed with was Tuchel and McLaughlan that decided to pursue Lukaku over Tchouameni given they felt the latter wasn’t ready and in the meantime get Saul on loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turgi 71 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Vesper said: 3? we only signed Wesley Fofana and Kalidou Koulibaly both were mistakes and we are already shopping KK Cucurella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Just now, turgi said: Cucurella? he is not a CB! that is just gaslighting to try and claim that lol no matter how much people wish he was or claim he is, he is NOT a CB, even when he plays in a back 3 he doesnt play a true role, plus he is so short he make Lisandro Martinez look tall IF we play him every game in back 3 or back 4 as a CB, we will finish down around 11th or so (at best) Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Why do you persist in believing Marina made decisions on football grounds? If she made any 'football' pronouncement it can only have been channelling Roman. It's probable that she had opinions of course. After all, she watched far more live football than many of us and we all have opinions. Having, or even offering, an opinion is one thing, making decisions is another. Matt Law settled that issue ages ago, she DID control football and transfer decisions every few months (thankfully less lately) this always comes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Vesper said: Matt Law settled that issue ages ago, she DID control football and transfer decisions every few months (thankfully less lately) this always comes up Thank you for answering my question and with a reasonable response. I do not believe Matt Law however. I don't recall reading what he had to say on the subject but, if I had, I'm sure that I would have found him to be using careful language. Just as careful as the language Romario used in the last few days when he 'announced' that the N'kunku deal had been completed. Everyone will have noticed how he skilfully danced around saying when this had happened. I took that dance as a further indicator that N'kunku's deal was completed months ago. Meanwhile, I might believe Marina made the football decisions, i.e. deciding that player A was a better footballer than player B, when I hear Roman confirm it. In truth however, probably not even then. The notion that Roman would allow someone with no particular football knowledge to make a decision that he could otherwise have made himself, sounds as ludicrous to me as the idea that Chelsea would have carried out a medical on a player because they hoped to sign him 12 months later. Such a pointless, useless, waste of time and money, medical simply never made any sense. Nor does Matt Law's story about Marina playing Football manager with Roman's money. I won't accuse him of deliberately misleading people, but he may have been misled himself. Edited December 27, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Thank you for answering my question and with a reasonable response. I do not believe Matt Law however. I don't recall reading what he had to say on the subject but, if I had, I'm sure that I would have found him to be using careful language. Just as careful as Romario did in the last few days when he 'announced' that the N'kunku deal had been completed, but skilfully danced around saying when this had happened. I took that dance as a further indicator that N'kunku's deal was completed months ago. Meanwhile, I might believe Marina made the football decisions, i.e. deciding that player A was better footballer than player B, when I hear Roman confirm it, but probably not even then. The notion that Roman would allow someone with no particular football knowledge to me a decision that he could otherwise have made himself sounds as ludicrous to me as the idea that Chelsea would have carried out a medical on a player because they hoped to sign him 12 months later. That simply never made any sense to me and nor does matt Law's story. I won't accuse him of deliberately misleading people, but that does not rule out that he may have been misled himself. start it around 8: 30 or so (the whole podcast is fascinating tbf) he lays out a cogent case for it all (and this was not the first time he has talked about it) Matt Law has zero reason to lie, for ages he was as close as one could get to be THE insider on Chels, in terms of reporters She had to sign off on all major footballing decisions, including transfers, and of course she was in charge of contracts too she was also the one who also flew off the Italy and had her road run by Juve, Inter, et al. going back to at least the Juve with that Alex Sandro nightmare ages ago shew also turned down Real's £55m offter for Alonso and Barcas £45m for Azpi back when we were just leaving Australia (pre season) years ago I do not forget these things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turgi 71 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 53 minutes ago, Vesper said: he is not a CB! that is just gaslighting to try and claim that lol no matter how much people wish he was or claim he is, he is NOT a CB, even when he plays in a back 3 he doesnt play a true role, plus he is so short he make Lisandro Martinez look tall IF we play him every game in back 3 or back 4 as a CB, we will finish down around 11th or so (at best) I don't know what he is to you. Since Potter arrival he is mainly playing at CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Vesper said: She had to sign off on all major footballing decisions, including transfers, and of course she was in charge of contracts too she was also the one who also flew off the Italy and had her road run by Juve, Inter, et al. going back to at least the Juve with that Alex Sandro nightmare ages ago shew also turned down Real's £55m offter for Alonso and Barcas £45m for Azpi back when we were just leaving Australia (pre season) years ago I do not forget these things I have not listened to the podcast, and won't do so immediately but will respond when I have. Meanwhile, none of the above offer any evidence, or even imply, that Marina made the football decisions. They only show she was responsible for enacting them once they had been made, and this we already knew because it was public knowledge. There is always an executive with responsibility for signing the cheques, and negotiating the deals. Marina was that person in the latter part of Roma's era. Settling the business of a transfer is a long way from actually deciding who to target or who to sell. Matt Law has his work cut out to persuade me that Marina decided to buy player A because she, not the manager, not Roman, and not any of his advisors, thought that player was a better footballer than player B. Are people really asking me to believe that Roman, the Manager, and Petr liked Tchomeni, (SP?) but that Marina didn't buy him because she decided he wasn't good enough? Surely such a notion sounds just as ridiculous to everybody else, as it sounds to me. Marina enacted football decisions, she didn't make them. Edited December 27, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Just now, turgi said: I don't know what he is to you. Since Potter arrival he is mainly playing at CB. Really? 5 times at CB is mainly? and only 2 of those 5 were full game as a starter (one in the CL, one in that League Cup loss to Citeh) you can call us buying a horse actually buying a duck, but that horse still wont have feathers and a bill, nor webbed feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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