Chelsea Transfers

[1905didierblue 748]

11 hours ago, Tomo said:

My perspective on CB's has completely changed since August.

With Tomori surprising and Zouma stepping up it's suddenly gone well down on the list of needs in my eyes. Unless a VVD level CB becomes available i think we should prioritize elsewhere.

Which ones though? Rb is set. Cm/cam has jorginho, kova, Kante. Rlc yet to come and gilmour and Gallagher might be able to take a step up.

Wingers we have Cho, puli, willian. A Sancho type player (100mil expense) would mean an automatic starter. 

Same goes for ST. Tammy has earned a starting position for the next year. 

I see a lot of posts saying we need 3-4 big players which seems heavily exaggerated. This is not a squad of 26+ players. It's a young squad which will get better on its own. Tammy, Reece, Cho, puli, mount will get better which will improve the team too. 

My only buys would be a LB (selling Alonso) and a 2nd striker/competition for tammy. While keeping the core same, and selling Alonso, Pedro, Barkley, giroud, batshuayi from the current squad and baka, Baker, miazga, baba, drink water, Zappa, etc from the loan army

 

[King Kante 1,643]

48 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Which ones though? Rb is set. Cm/cam has jorginho, kova, Kante. Rlc yet to come and gilmour and Gallagher might be able to take a step up.

Wingers we have Cho, puli, willian. A Sancho type player (100mil expense) would mean an automatic starter. 

Same goes for ST. Tammy has earned a starting position for the next year. 

I see a lot of posts saying we need 3-4 big players which seems heavily exaggerated. This is not a squad of 26+ players. It's a young squad which will get better on its own. Tammy, Reece, Cho, puli, mount will get better which will improve the team too. 

My only buys would be a LB (selling Alonso) and a 2nd striker/competition for tammy. While keeping the core same, and selling Alonso, Pedro, Barkley, giroud, batshuayi from the current squad and baka, Baker, miazga, baba, drink water, Zappa, etc from the loan army

 

I think at CM, we need a bigger/more physical player in there as we are quite lightweight. RLC does not look like he will ever be fit for a season/be able to play 90 minutes consistently, whilst Barkley is not good enough. CF, we need real competition for Tammy and if we were to get a player like Werner he could also play AM. AM requires at least four players for a long season, whilst I personally want Sancho I would be happy to wait another year owing to him only having two left at the end of this year. At CB Rudi is a concern with the amount of injuries he has had in his career, whilst for a lot of people Zouma is not good enough and the jury is still out on AC. At both LB and RB we do need another attacking FB but for who and which side is still open for debate. 

Another thing to remember is that this season still has a lot of football to be played before we can say where we are exactly and to know if the squad is deep enough. One thing we also want to avoid is to not fall into the Le Arse trap of thinking we will just use the young boys and not win anything for now as in a couple of years they will all be stars. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Think we still need 4-5 signings next summer: LB (not convinced with Alonso), CB (Rudiger is injury prone and still not convinced with Zouma and Christensen), RW (Replacement for Willian and Pedro), ST (Replacement for Giroud and Batshuayi), and AM (If RLC is still injury prone).

LB: Chilwell, Gaya, Telles, Grimaldo, Digne 

CB: Romagnoli, Gimenez, Konate, Dias, Upamecano

AM (Optional): Havertz, Aouar, Odegaard, Fernandes

RW: Sancho, Chiesa, Ziyech, Bergwijn

ST: Werner, Haaland, Lautaro 

[Alabama 1,992]

I would really like Pedro guliherme of Fiorentina due different skills set he would provide upfront... 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Underwhelming transfer targets apart from Sancho and Chilwell.

[Nicco 927]

17 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

If Dembele or Zaha were to come here I will be very angry, 2 fucking duds.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Nicco said:

If Dembele or Zaha were to come here I will be very angry, 2 fucking duds.

Understatement. Really fearful we will end up buying duds again in January!

[Vesper 30,085]

1 hour ago, Alabama said:

I would really like Pedro guliherme of Fiorentina due different skills set he would provide upfront... 

I can see that, except Fiorentina are absolute CUNTS to deal with (Chiesa for instance)

[1905didierblue 748]

6 hours ago, King Kante said:

I think at CM, we need a bigger/more physical player in there as we are quite lightweight. RLC does not look like he will ever be fit for a season/be able to play 90 minutes consistently, whilst Barkley is not good enough. CF, we need real competition for Tammy and if we were to get a player like Werner he could also play AM. AM requires at least four players for a long season, whilst I personally want Sancho I would be happy to wait another year owing to him only having two left at the end of this year. At CB Rudi is a concern with the amount of injuries he has had in his career, whilst for a lot of people Zouma is not good enough and the jury is still out on AC. At both LB and RB we do need another attacking FB but for who and which side is still open for debate. 

Another thing to remember is that this season still has a lot of football to be played before we can say where we are exactly and to know if the squad is deep enough. One thing we also want to avoid is to not fall into the Le Arse trap of thinking we will just use the young boys and not win anything for now as in a couple of years they will all be stars. 

The way Frank wants us to play, a physical DM/CM becomes irrelevant. Rlc has been unlucky, but does not mean he will be so again. And even if RLC is not an option, we have Gallagher coming through.

Zouma has been brilliant for us this season. He started the season poorly but has had an exponential improvement. If we are going to build a squad on meritocracy, the first one would be to continue with ones who are performing well. And zouma IS performing well.

We have azpi and Reece as rbs, why would we want another? 

Arsenal's youngsters were not multiple youth title winning players. Youth players like CHO, Reece are amazing players, while mount, RLC, gallagher, gilmour, are really talented ones. For every le arsr, you have a class of 92 and barca's unbelievable team. With the talent at our disposal and the fact that these players are showing that they belong here, they deserve every opportunity.

[King Kante 1,643]

24 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

The way Frank wants us to play, a physical DM/CM becomes irrelevant. Rlc has been unlucky, but does not mean he will be so again. And even if RLC is not an option, we have Gallagher coming through.

Zouma has been brilliant for us this season. He started the season poorly but has had an exponential improvement. If we are going to build a squad on meritocracy, the first one would be to continue with ones who are performing well. And zouma IS performing well.

We have azpi and Reece as rbs, why would we want another? 

Arsenal's youngsters were not multiple youth title winning players. Youth players like CHO, Reece are amazing players, while mount, RLC, gallagher, gilmour, are really talented ones. For every le arsr, you have a class of 92 and barca's unbelievable team. With the talent at our disposal and the fact that these players are showing that they belong here, they deserve every opportunity.

I think SFL is currently playing with what he has. Our biggest weakness at the moment is set pieces and second to Kepa not being able to control his 6 yard area, our lack of physical presence is a big reason for that. 

RLC has not seen on season out and is 24 now. We cannot keep thinking of him as a kid. As for Gallagher, yes he looks promising but I do not want to become Le Arse MK.II and just relying on kids as it does not win you trophies. Even Utd and Barca complimented their great youth generations with top pros and did not build them just on the young boys. Utd for instance had players like Schmichael, Bruce, Palister, Irwin, Robson, Hughes etc, while they spent big on players such as Cole, Yorke etc. Barca were buying the likes of Ronaldinho, Neymar and Suarez. Those teams never just went with kids. 

As a disclaimer, I love what we are doing now with the young boys but we need to not get romantic about it like Le Arse did or allow for another round of crap/ill suited signings like we pulled off in 2017. 

 

[Special Juan 28,095]

Has to be the right player for the right position, this current run is brilliant, and to be honest unless it improves us hugely I'd be against wasting.

Massive competition for places, Kane is back, RLC soon and Reece waiting in the wings and Emerson first choice LB are just a few areas we are showing strength in.

 

[Superblue 6,372]

I keep debating to myself whether buying back Ake would be a good idea. He has improved a lot during his time at Bournemouth and looks a real talent at present.

Given the current market (Maguire being the ridiculous benchmark now) I think theres a lot of value if we do as reported hold a £40m buy back on him.

Is he a big improvement on what we have? I'm not sure if he is right now, but I think potentially he could continue to develop to be. And at the moment I dont see many stand outs to buy at centre back for a reasonable price. Theres some very good, young options abroad but that in itself is a risk too.

The other question to be answered would be if we brought a new centre back, who is replaced. The assumption is if Rudiger can get back to full fitness his spot shouldn't be questioned. So is Zouma now ahead of Christensen in the pecking order?

[1905didierblue 748]

58 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I think SFL is currently playing with what he has. Our biggest weakness at the moment is set pieces and second to Kepa not being able to control his 6 yard area, our lack of physical presence is a big reason for that. 

RLC has not seen on season out and is 24 now. We cannot keep thinking of him as a kid. As for Gallagher, yes he looks promising but I do not want to become Le Arse MK.II and just relying on kids as it does not win you trophies. Even Utd and Barca complimented their great youth generations with top pros and did not build them just on the young boys. Utd for instance had players like Schmichael, Bruce, Palister, Irwin, Robson, Hughes etc, while they spent big on players such as Cole, Yorke etc. Barca were buying the likes of Ronaldinho, Neymar and Suarez. Those teams never just went with kids. 

As a disclaimer, I love what we are doing now with the young boys but we need to not get romantic about it like Le Arse did or allow for another round of crap/ill suited signings like we pulled off in 2017. 

 

So we don't have experienced pros? Jorginho, kovacic, Kante, willian, azpi, kepa, Emerson, Rudi, zouma. If those teams were never just kids, even ours is not. Infact our first team would have atleast 6 players above 24/25 (willian, Kante, jorginho, azpi, rudi, Emerson, kepa).

Stop making comparison with arsenal because our youth are way more talented than them. We have the perfect mixture of youth and experienced players. Tell me the names of arsenal youth and what they had won when they were introduced into the first team. Also most of our youth have seasons of loan experience under their belts and they have proved themselves in various stages of football. 

Our problem with set pieces has nothing to do with height. It's more a system issue which lamps seems to have addressed. Now we are a mixture of zonal and man marking rather than just zonal. 

The point is not to buy for the sake of it. Buys which would stop the coming of youth players. For eg players like Barkley and Pedro, who are senior pros but have no use to the squad. 

A LB, a 2nd ST like Werner while giving youth like puli, Cho, Reece, tomori, Tammy, mount time to improve will be more than enough.

[Vesper 30,085]

14 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I keep debating to myself whether buying back Ake would be a good idea. He has improved a lot during his time at Bournemouth and looks a real talent at present.

Given the current market (Maguire being the ridiculous benchmark now) I think theres a lot of value if we do as reported hold a £40m buy back on him.

Is he a big improvement on what we have? I'm not sure if he is right now, but I think potentially he could continue to develop to be. And at the moment I dont see many stand outs to buy at centre back for a reasonable price. Theres some very good, young options abroad but that in itself is a risk too.

The other question to be answered would be if we brought a new centre back, who is replaced. The assumption is if Rudiger can get back to full fitness his spot shouldn't be questioned. So is Zouma now ahead of Christensen in the pecking order?

Aké turns 26 in the middle of next season, so he damn well better be developed at that age.

As to who should be replaced, it simply must be Zouma, Everton will be even more desperate for him, so £40m is hardly a stretch. There si zero chance we can win the league or go deep, deep in the CL with Zouma as a mainstay CB. He is simply not up to the grade on ball handling and passing.

Romagnoli is ripe for the taking next year. AC Milan are pure shit atm, and at his age, in his prime years (he is 5 weeks older than Aké) he simply needs to be convinced to not have a decent team around him until he is possibly 30 years old.

The other main option (Skriniar is going to be a huge target of Shitty, and I finally found confirmation that José Giménez does indeed now have a 120 euro release clause, so no go there) is one I prefer even more, the beast (1.94m pure slab of muscle, super pacey, 21 years old the end of May 2020)  named Ibrahima Konaté of RB Leipzig. He is Zouma on steroids, with a far better ball playing and passing ability. Koulibaly (and is 6 or 7cms taller than KK) level potential (KK turns 30 right after next season, so not worth the insane money Napoli and the poison dwarf will still demand next summer) and already has years of starting and playing in the CL.

The only other truly WC CB's who would be remotely available would be Marquinhos (intriguing as he is also a great DMF) , Rúben Dias, and the hardest to pull of all of these, Raphaël Varane (who does turn 28 near the end of next season, and propbaly only could be pulled if we had some sort of swap (Varane plus another player) deal for Kante (and even that is doubtful, as Real are pure Cunts when it comes to selling.

Ibrahima Konaté