🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

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6 hours ago, Pizy said:

Luckily, they'd probably have to sell one of Mané or Salah to afford him. I hope...

They need to move firmino 

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7 hours ago, Tomo said:

He has injury issues but is always picked when fit. Didn't he arrive really young though? I tend to class players as a academy player if they play for the club at development level.

He joined them at 18 and went straight into the first team. 

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31 minutes ago, communicate said:

They need to move firmino 

I so doubt they do it, but I have a serious hard time thinking they have no money

they have a large, always being expanded stadium that is constantly being upgraded

they have massive prize moneys run

they do not crazy salaries

they have billionaire owners

and they are in need to some upgrades as the age out

they really need a great AMF, they have shit there

they are carrying a fair amount of dregs

  
Dejan Lovren 
Nathaniel Clyne  (I guess oki for a backup for another season or 2) 
James Milner    he turns 35 midseason
Ovie Ejaria    
Adam Lallana    
Xherdan Shaqiri   <<<< they already have his replacement, the coming back from loan Harry Wilson
Sheyi Ojo    
Divock Origi    <<< they are forced to keep him atm, he is not a terrible player (unlike Bats)

they really need that AMF (Lallana is leaving so they have NONE),and another CB (Lovren is doghsit)

not that I want him there, but they literally are bonkers to not be chasing Havertz harder than most any other player

there is zero reason for them to have to sell shit to buy him, they bought fuckall the last 2 windows, plus have all that prize cash

the only way I would touch the front 3 this window is IF they think they could sell Salah or Mane and guaranteed bring in Sancho

this is the last window they will get over 100m for either, as Mane turns 30 during the 2021-2022 season, and Salah turns 30 right after it ends

I just cant see a club dumping over 100m quid in summer 2021 on a 29, soon 30yo winger not named CR7 or Messi

I also think they have issues with trying to get Sancho to go there overall as it is Liverpool, but I may be wrong

 

 

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3 hours ago, Clockwork said:

More or less Havertz seems very similar to Firmino.

I agree. And I also share the same view of our German residents of this forum, I believe he is the perfect hybrid between a centre forward and a false 9, I think he is more influential in that area of the pitch than on the wings or in a midfield 3.

False 9/free roam 10 I believe suits him best.

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53 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I so doubt they do it, but I have a serious hard time thinking they have no money

they have a large, always being expanded stadium that is constantly being upgraded

they have massive prize moneys run

they do not crazy salaries

they have billionaire owners

and they are in need to some upgrades as the age out

they really need a great AMF, they have shit there

they are carrying a fair amount of dregs

  
Dejan Lovren 
Nathaniel Clyne  (I guess oki for a backup for another season or 2) 
James Milner    he turns 35 midseason
Ovie Ejaria    
Adam Lallana    
Xherdan Shaqiri   <<<< they already have his replacement, the coming back from loan Harry Wilson
Sheyi Ojo    
Divock Origi    <<< they are forced to keep him atm, he is not a terrible player (unlike Bats)

they really need that AMF (Lallana is leaving so they have NONE),and another CB (Lovren is doghsit)

not that I want him there, but they literally are bonkers to not be chasing Havertz harder than most any other player

there is zero reason for them to have to sell shit to buy him, they bought fuckall the last 2 windows, plus have all that prize cash

the only way I would touch the front 3 this window is IF they think they could sell Salah or Mane and guaranteed bring in Sancho

this is the last window they will get over 100m for either, as Mane turns 30 during the 2021-2022 season, and Salah turns 30 right after it ends

I just cant see a club dumping over 100m quid in summer 2021 on a 29, soon 30yo winger not named CR7 or Messi

I also think they have issues with trying to get Sancho to go there overall as it is Liverpool, but I may be wrong

 

 

I disagree. don't think they are chasing Havertz unless they move firmino. I assume here that Havertz will cost maybe around 100m. If he cost 40 m then we won't have this conversation. 

But let just say pool sign Havertz, he will be asked to provide creative contribution plus he need to run like a workhorse and keep their defensive solidity. Does he has the stamina and workrate to do that. If he can't do that then klopp need to change his system to cater havertz.

Play less direct? Made no sense since his two star player thrive in direct game.

Ask his two fb to play more.conservative. Again make no sense since they are too good to do that.

Play Havertz in easy game, if your 100m is just part player, you are crazy. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, communicate said:

I disagree. don't think they are chasing Havertz unless they move firmino. I assume here that Havertz will cost maybe around 100m. If he cost 40 m then we won't have this conversation. 

But let just say pool sign Havertz, he will be asked to provide creative contribution plus he need to run like a workhorse and keep their defensive solidity. Does he has the stamina and workrate to do that. If he can't do that then klopp need to change his system to cater havertz.

Play less direct? Made no sense since his two star player thrive in direct game.

Ask his two fb to play more.conservative. Again make no sense since they are too good to do that.

Play Havertz in easy game, if your 100m is just part player, you are crazy. 

 

 

it puts WAY too much pressure on Havertz to sell Firmino and then bring him in

you are basically forcing the lad to only play CF and they still have fuckall for AMF if he has to play CF

and its 100m euros, not pounds max (so £91m), and the talk from Germany (same sourcing who were correct on Werner) says IF Bayer fails to get CL his price will drop by 20m euros or so,as their revenue will plummet  (as will ours if we miss out)

so he could be had for around £72m

Mönchengladbach is one point behind Leverkusen

they both play Hertha Berlin and Borussia play bottom of the table Paderborn, Bayer plays the erratic Mainz (fighting for survial)

Mönchengladbach drew Hertha away, Bayer lost at home the first time each played them

Mönchengladbach fucked up badly since the break

they  drew with woeful Werder Bremen, lost to middling Freiburg, and then got smashed by Leverkusen themselves

if they had beaten Bremen and just drew with Freiburg, it would basically be over already, as even a draw against Hertha (they will crush Paderborn) puts them 4th by GD even if Leverkusen wins both. Even if they only beat Paderborn 1 nil, Bayer would have to then make up 6 in GD to take fourth

Basically it comes down to Bayer v Hertha, if they win, they are likely into the CL, if they lose, then even a draw for Borussia v Hertha more than likely puts Mönchengladbach into the CL on GD

If Bayer draws v Hertha, then it is still in Mönchengladbach's hands. They just need to win both of their games (which is far from impossible)

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9 hours ago, Tomo said:

Thierry Henry was initially a winger but circumstances gave him a shot up front and the rest is history. Whether by accident or design is largely irrelevant, the point is he's gone up a gear since playing there.

Anyway i don't think this will be our problem, i pray he doesn't end up at Liverpool as he's the perfect Firmino successor. 

I do not think he has gone up a gear though. Last season he played more as a midfielder and scored 20 goals. This season he didn't have a great start but his form started picking up again by new year. Then since the restart he has moved to CF. 

For me, those that are watching Harvetz and saying he is a CF have a) not been watching him for long enough and over emphasising his lack of form at the start of the season. 

I'll say it now (and I am happy for anyone to pull this up in five years time or whatever) but Harvetz's long term future is in midfield. He will be a player that is the engine of a team like Lampard, Ballack, Gerrard, Pogba etc and not a centre forward. That he can play other positions is simply testament to his ability. 

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I do not think he has gone up a gear though. Last season he played more as a midfielder and scored 20 goals. This season he didn't have a great start but his form started picking up again by new year. Then since the restart he has moved to CF. 
For me, those that are watching Harvetz and saying he is a CF have a) not been watching him for long enough and over emphasising his lack of form at the start of the season. 
I'll say it now (and I am happy for anyone to pull this up in five years time or whatever) but Harvetz's long term future is in midfield. He will be a player that is the engine of a team like Lampard, Ballack, Gerrard, Pogba etc and not a centre forward. That he can play other positions is simply testament to his ability. 

Havertz scored 7 goals out of 17 Bundesliga goals as a right winger in in 9 matches (only 9 matches!!!!). As a midfielder, he scored 10 goals in 25 matches.
As a CF, he is even more efficient and you can see that he scored 7 goals in 5 matches. It is clear that he has all the tools to play the false 9 role and he is way more consistent as a right winger or CF

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Havertz scored 7 goals out of 17 Bundesliga goals as a right winger in in 9 matches (only 9 matches!!!!). As a midfielder, he scored 10 goals in 25 matches.
As a CF, he is even more efficient and you can see that he scored 7 goals in 5 matches. It is clear that he has all the tools to play the false 9 role and he is way more consistent as a right winger or CF

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What matter is his role more than position. Even playing a CF if he keep dropping deep, he essentially play more like a no 10 like what firmino does for pool.

 

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What matter is his role more than position. Even playing a CF if he keep dropping deep, he essentially play more like a no 10 like what firmino does for pool.
 

Yes and I agree. That is why I said he can easily play the false 9 role.He drops deep and Werner then plays as a CF and when Ziyech moves to the no. 10 role, Kai moves to normal CF position. This would make us unpredictable

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11 hours ago, Jason said:

Switching to a 2 striker system makes no sense, especially when we're loaded with midfielders and apart from Atletico, no other top teams play 4-4-2 anymore. Midfield control is absolutely vital.

4-3-1-2

Ziyech 

Havertz

Werner

shake well

 

or go full bonkers

4-2-2-2

Havetz-Ziyech

Werner-Tammy

 

or go full retro Italiano

4-1-3-2

Havertz as the CMF/No 10

Ziyech at RMF

Werner and Tammy up top

 

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Yes and I agree. That is why I said he can easily play the false 9 role.He drops deep and Werner then plays as a CF and when Ziyech moves to the no. 10 role, Kai moves to normal CF position. This would make us unpredictable

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For our team, Havertz certainly can help us but is it better to spend the money on Havertz or you can get a left back and a dm for the money. 

I certainly prefer the 2nd option. 

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soooo plenty of virtue signalling and a nice circlejerk, But any news? lol..

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Leverkusen gone 2-0 down at Hertha while Gladbach are winning. As it stands, Leverkusen are out of the CL spots...

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18 minutes ago, Jason said:

Leverkusen gone 2-0 down at Hertha while Gladbach are winning. As it stands, Leverkusen are out of the CL spots...

Gladbach just scored again

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all Gladbach need to do is draw v Hertha next game and its over

zero chance Bayer can make up 8 or 9 on GD

[Special Juan 28,141]

1-3 Gladbach

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1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

1-3 Gladbach

GD is 9 atm

and a 2 point lead

all they needed to do to have clinched CL today is have scored one in that dreadful nil nil v Werder

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sweet

Gladback won 1 3

and Bayer lost 2 nil

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From the things I read online on Bayer Leverkusen Forum, he played garbage and maybe was even the worst player on the pitch. Leverkusen fans want him gone asap. They said that he does not care about the Club and did not do anything.

He played as a no. 10 today.

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