Timo Werner

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7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

This is going to sound crazy until i've added context but i though Torres's finishing in isolation while here was quite good. Torres's problem was he didn't have the tactical brain to get in those scoring positions regularly which meant he'd often go weeks without even a half chance of a goal. The rare times he got in i was confident he would finish and he usually (with a few high profile exceptions) did.

If he was a genuine bad finisher like Morata he wouldn't have even hit double figures here.

That's the truth..Torres used his acceleration to beat defences... and when his confidence was high and all was going well, the ball just seemed to fall to him most of the time. When he lost that acceleration, evidently here at Chels, he didn't have the naturual Strikers instinct say an Inzaghi had to bag the goals his previous ability would help achieve. 

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3 hours ago, DDA said:

How on Earth could you not rate the Torres that was scoring goals for Liverpool. That Torres was the best striker in the World at the time. 

This is the kind of thing people were telling me at the time. Because I know the difference between a good player, and an ordinary one doing well. The same way anyone with eyes and experience of watching football should have known that Kezman was not Chelsea player or that Sheva was done before he came here.

I've described it many times on here and elsewhere so apologies for the repetition but the brief Liverpool purple patch was a blip. The whole of the rest of Nando's career tells the truth about his real level. I strongly believe that with the passing of time, more people in the game will find that they feel able to tell the truth about their assessments of Nando. The only one I know who broke cover at the time was Martin Allen. He summed up his thoughts on the subject by saying, "Torres, not having him. Not having him at all."

Allen was right and there must be scores of other people in the game who knew it too.

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1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

This is the kind of thing people were telling me at the time. Because I know the difference between a good player, and an ordinary one doing well. The same way anyone with eyes and experience of watching football should have know that Kezman was not Chelsea player or that Sheva was done before he came here.

I've described it many times on here and elsewhere so apologies for the repetition but the brief Liverpool purple patch was a blip. The whole of the rest of Nando's career tells the truth about his real level. I strongly believe that with the passing of time, more people in the game will find that they feel able to tell the truth about their assessments of Nando. The only one I know who broke cover at the time was Martin Allen. He summed up his thoughts on the subject by saying, "Torres, not having him. Not having him at all."

Wether you regard his time at Liverpool a rare patch in his career or not, that Torres was a beast. He was pretty good at Athletico too.

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4 minutes ago, DDA said:

Wether you regard his time at Liverpool a rare patch in his career or not, that Torres was a beast. He was pretty good at Athletico too.

We'll always differ on this I suspect. I know I'm right, and you know I'm wrong so there we'll have to leave it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am right though.

 

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3 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Hahaha, Comparing prime Torres with Timo Werner.

Prime Torres was one of the fastest and most gifted technical players I have seen my whole life. His finishing, his dribbling and his pace was insane. Injuries fucked him up and that is why I never wanted him at Chelsea

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You really need to watch those games again.

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5 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Hahaha, Comparing prime Torres with Timo Werner.

Prime Torres was one of the fastest and most gifted technical players I have seen my whole life. His finishing, his dribbling and his pace was insane. Injuries fucked him up and that is why I never wanted him at Chelsea

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I am pretty sure stats show that Werner is way faster than prime Torres. 

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2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

We'll always differ on this I suspect. I know I'm right, and you know I'm wrong so there we'll have to leave it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am right though.

 

I have to side with you on this one. In those 15 months at Liverpool Torres was probably one of the top 3 strikers in the world but he was average the rest of his career. His stats show that. Agüero was at the same level As those 15months prime Torres for like 7 years for comparison. Torre scored some absolutely outrageous goals in his career tho which give some credit to the hypothesis that he was technically very gifted. Then again many players scored outrageous goals many of those players will never be remembered. I remain that Torres was basically a 2 season wonder and lived off this hype for the rest of his career. 

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I am pretty sure stats show that Werner is way faster than prime Torres. 

Can you show me that? I made some research too and I did not find the pace of prime Torres at Atletico or Liverpool. Werner is fast, but I remember Torres to be fast too. Of course the acceleration of Werner is better than most people but overall top speed, I think it should be close.

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I have to side with you on this one. In those 15 months at Liverpool Torres was probably one of the top 3 strikers in the world but he was average the rest of his career. His stats show that. Agüero was at the same level As those 15months prime Torres for like 7 years for comparison. Torre scored some absolutely outrageous goals in his career tho which give some credit to the hypothesis that he was technically very gifted. Then again many players scored outrageous goals many of those players will never be remembered. I remain that Torres was basically a 2 season wonder and lived off this hype for the rest of his career. 

Torres scored 82 goals and made 20 assists and 145 games at Liverpool.

2007/08 season he scored 24 goals in 33 matches. 2008/09 season he scored 14 goals in 24 matches and in 2009/10 season he scored 18 goals in 22 matches. That is not average to me. Better than most Drogba seasons and Drogba played in a better team. Pool was a one man show


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11 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Can you show me that? I made some research too and I did not find the pace of prime Torres at Atletico or Liverpool. Werner is fast, but I remember Torres to be fast too. Of course the acceleration of Werner is better than most people but overall top speed, I think it should be close.

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https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-fastest-footballers-in-the-world-in-terms-of-sprint-speed

this quora Page cited an article of gimme sports which has Torres at 35,2 km/h

Which is a tiny fraction slower than teenage Timo Werner at Stuttgart

https://www.fussball-spielplan.de/welcher-bundesliga-profi-rennt-am-schnellsten/

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https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-fastest-footballers-in-the-world-in-terms-of-sprint-speed
this quora Page cited an article of gimme sports which has Torres at 35,2 km/h
Which is a tiny fraction slower than teenage Timo Werner at Stuttgart
https://www.fussball-spielplan.de/welcher-bundesliga-profi-rennt-am-schnellsten/

I can live with tiny bit faster, but you said that Werner is way faster, which I clearly did not remember.

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It was Torres' acceleration that was the stand out. Could get ahead of defenders with ease.