Jorginho

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Barca yes, for sure, but probably not Real, he doesn't fit their footie style IMHO.

what even is Real's footy style lol. old men lumping a ball to benzema maybe.

[Vesper 28,773]

Just now, Magic Lamps said:

what even is Real's footy style lol. old men lumping a ball to benzema maybe.

they seem to dislike double pivots, they basically rely on all-action man Casemiro to do most of their MF dirty work

can you imagine Jorginho and Modric paired if Casemiro is not available

eek

Kroos or Valverde (capable of it) would have to do a tonne extra legwork

[Vesper 28,773]

33 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

old men lumping a ball to benzema maybe.

they really have digressed to this

good call

and they are SO fucked atm if Benz goes down

their squad is so hollow and will only get worse barring massive moves

Thibaut Courtois  (without him, they would be so fucked)
Andriy Lunin (so untested)
Raphaël Varane    (perhaps gone as well, which would be a disaster unless they replace him with an equal level CB, I made a list in the past of the only CB's they would likely move for, it is not a large list and all are crazy expensive and/or hard to pull)
David Alaba   (barring a transfer in, and especially if Varane leaves, he is stuck at CB)
Éder Militão  overrated, I so do not rate him (RM plastics claim he is a top 10 in planet CB, LOLOLOL)
Nacho Fernández   overrated (another one the plastics think is godlike)
Jesús Vallejo   pure dregs, he could not get minutes at Wolves, ffs and was sent back early
Ferland Mendy   decent LB, but limited offensively  
Marcelo    rinsed
Miguel Gutiérrez    youth player
Daniel Carvajal   had a poor year for him, and unlike many, the Plastics are on his arse hard
Álvaro Odriozola   dregs, major bust
Casemiro (only DMF in the squad, but is a top 3 in world traditional DMF)
Fede Valverde  (great young CMF)
Toni Kroos  (may retire after this coming season)
Dani Ceballos    dregs and will be sold   
Luka Modric   (soon 36)
Martin Ødegaard    (up for sale, but may stay as ZZ left)
Isco   (turns 30yo this season, is a shadow of his former self)
Brahim Díaz   (meh)
Eden Hazard    (enough said, injuries have ended his career at top level more than likely)
Vinícius Júnior    a bust so far
Marco Asensio    never came close to his potential so far, meh  
Rodrygo    a bust so far
Gareth Bale    (when is tee time? LOL)
Takefusa Kubo    (youth player who has not taken it up a level whilst out on loan so far)
Lucas Vázquez  (the very fact he was one of their best players last season tells it all, plus he is now 30yo)
Sergio Arribas  youth player
Karim Benzema  (they best pray 10,000 hail Mary's he stays healthy) 
Luka Jovic    dregs IMHO, a bullet dodged   also up for sale
Mariano Díaz  dregs and up for sale

 

then these 2 come back in summer 2022 from long term loans

 

sub zero chance I would swap squads with them, I would be going fucking BONKERS if we had that lot

 

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by Vesper

[Vesper 28,773]

Italy players believe 'The Professor' Jorginho is a contender for the Ballon d'Or after his stellar campaign with Chelsea and his country... Roberto Mancini has built his impressive team around the midfield pass master

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9755697/Italy-players-believe-Jorginho-contender-Ballon-dOr-stellar-campaign.html

Few players in the Premier League divide opinion more than Jorginho but Italy coach Roberto Mancini has no doubts about the man they call 'the Professor'.

In three seasons at Chelsea, Jorginho has won the Europa League and the Champions League yet still not everybody is convinced.

While nobody would question the 29-year-old's intelligence or passing ability, doubters point to his lack of pace and what they deem his safety-first approach.

He was signed under Maurizio Sarri and never entirely convinced Frank Lampard before growing in importance again for Thomas Tuchel. But for Italy, who approach their first major semi-final for nine years, Jorginho is indispensable.

No player has made more appearances in Mancini's three-year reign and he is key to Italy's possession-based 4-3-3 system. It may raise eyebrows in England, but Jorginho is regarded so highly in Italy that team-mates and media believe he is a contender for the Ballon d'Or.

'It is not up to me to say who should win it, but Jorginho would deserve it,' said Italy forward Lorenzo Insigne, who played with Jorginho at Napoli from 2014-18.

'It's correct that people are talking about him. He has had some brilliant years at Chelsea and we are proud to have a player like him in our team. We call him the Professor and he is a great player.'

Jorginho's display in the 2-1 quarter-final win over Belgium highlighted his importance.

Whenever an Italy player needed a passing option, Jorginho was there. When Jorginho had the ball, he didn't hang on to it for long. At times, it felt as though he was manoeuvring his team-mates around the pitch like remote-control cars.

'Honestly, I don't think about the Ballon d'Or,' said Jorginho. 'My priority is to think about the team because celebrating with your friends, all together, is much better than celebrating alone.'

If he does climb to the top step of the podium, he will have done it the hard way.

Born in Brazil, Jorginho — full name Jorge Luiz Frello Filho — left his hometown of Imbituba aged 14 to enrol at a football school more than 100 miles away.

By 17, he was playing for the academy of Italian club Hellas Verona where he lodged with other young players in an ancient monastery. 

'I called my mum, crying and saying I wanted to come back and give up football but she just refused. So thanks mum, thanks dad for that because they have played a big part.'

Having survived those experiences, a Wembley semi-final will not worry Jorginho, though he will be keen to improve on his record there of two wins in eight games in the last three years.

Whatever he achieves in the remainder of Euro 2020, Jorginho will never convince everyone at Chelsea.

Yet even if Italy fall to Spain on Tuesday, nothing will shake Mancini's faith in the Professor. 

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Probably the last person on earth you would expect to say this 😂

On a serious note, the movement is growing! WE CAN DO THIS!

[killer1257 3,282]

He becomes the greatest Chelsea player ever if he wins the ballon dor lol

[Vesper 28,773]

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

He becomes the greatest Chelsea player ever if he wins the ballon dor lol

We have had 3 Ballon d'Or winners on the roster, just never won it whilst playing with us (Lamps almost did, got 2nd place in 2005, if we had not gotten fucked in that Pool CL semi (the no pen call when Hyypiä smashed over Kezman in the box at the end. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr), we likely would have won the CL and Lamps would have won the Ballon d'Or, plus a case could have been made for that 2004-2006 team's 2 year stretch being the greatest of all time, as we would have won the Super Cup and the FWCC for sure in the following months, and we did win the EPL again, back to back. We also god did hard by another Norwegian ref, Hauge, plus numerous other dodgy SF calls, (foreshadowing 2009) against Barca in the 2006 CL with del Horno getting sent off at the Bridge and Eto'o scoring late in a 1-2 loss)

Ruud Gullit 

George Weah

Andriy Shevchenko

 

 

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Il Professore. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Give it to him 

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Big balls to execute the final penalty like that. Best player of the tournament

[Superblue 6,370]

Starting to get the recognition he deserves.

He seems to be getting better too, which bodes well for us.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Starting to get the recognition he deserves.

You made as if he's been great for us...

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

4 minutes ago, Jas said:

You made as if he's been great for us...

'Not everyone understands it'. 

- Maurizio Sarri 🚬

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

'Not everyone understands it'. 

- Maurizio Sarri 🚬

Would say the same to you regarding Mount. 🤪

[Vesper 28,773]

IF Kante had had a tournament like Jorginho has, he would be an absolute LOCK for the Ballon d'Or

but

I think Kante and Jorginho split votes and Lewa may win (plus he will get make-up votes after being robbed last year as they did not award it, which is just FUCKED)

time will tell

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

IF Kante had had a tournament like Jorginho has, he would be an absolute LOCK for the Ballon d'Or

but

I think Kante and Jorginho split votes and Lewa may win (plus he will get make-up votes after being robbed last year as they did not award it, which is just FUCKED)

time will tell

If Messi wins the Copa America, am sure he'll be among the final three. Suspect Lewandowski will be there as well.

Don't think Jorginho will win it even if he wins the Euros with Italy. His impact hasn't been like super WOW on the Italy squad or he hasn't necessarily had a profound impact on both club and country like Modric did when he controversially(?) won it. 

[Vesper 28,773]

3 minutes ago, Jas said:

If Messi wins the Copa America, am sure he'll be among the final three. Suspect Lewandowski will be there as well.

His impact hasn't been like super WOW on the Italy squad or he hasn't necessarily had a profound impact on both club and country like Modric did 

of course he has, especially Italy, but us as well

I am not slating him off anymore, as I am starting to see the difference he makes in the right system

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

of course he has, especially Italy, but us as well

I am not slating him off anymore, as I am starting to see the difference he makes in the right system

I don't know about Italy but I wouldn't say Jorginho falls into the 'a player we can't do without' category for us.