🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Callum Hudson-Odoi

[Tomo 21,751]

8 hours ago, LAM09 said:

They could have easily said take it or go, if he was holding out for such a wage.

The club aren't normally known for buckling.

 

Because the club are usually in the strongest position.

This time there was Bayern's interest alongside the fact we couldn't afford another KDB situation which meant Odoi held all the ace cards even with his injury.

[Tomo 21,751]

3 hours ago, Robchels said:

agreed. Risky, but necessary.

Begs to question were they asleep? I don't necessarily mean last season, but even before. If the kid is being considered for the first team, why hasn't someone approached him for a new deal? If they had, and they refused, then 1) it was done too late 2) if done early enough, just keep him away from the first team. Weird situation either way.

On top of the blunder above, how much does the "ban effect" must have increased his wages?

IIRC he only agreed to commit short term initially when it came to his first pro contract.

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

Bayern Munich’s manager is now saying that Leroy Sane is their dream player. I hate them more than any other club. The way they publicly tap up players is sickening.

[Superblue 6,372]

6 hours ago, Robchels said:

agreed. Risky, but necessary.

Begs to question were they asleep? I don't necessarily mean last season, but even before. If the kid is being considered for the first team, why hasn't someone approached him for a new deal? If they had, and they refused, then 1) it was done too late 2) if done early enough, just keep him away from the first team. Weird situation either way.

On top of the blunder above, how much does the "ban effect" must have increased his wages?

 

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

IIRC he only agreed to commit short term initially when it came to his first pro contract.

I could be wrong but I don't think you can sign a long term contract until you turn 18 which he didn't do until during last season which is the reason why this has happened and really beyond the control of the club. 

By this point he would have seen that despite impressing in pre season he wasn't getting a look in and Sarri had no interest in rotating the squad, hence why I think he was initially hesitant to commit. Then Bayern came knocking in January and we got to the point we are now.

[Superblue 6,372]

The wages being rumoured are so wildly different, I believe that it will initially be around the £100k mark and there are likely incentives regarding appearances, goals, trophies, international appearances, as well as inflationary annual increases that at some point during the contract he will likely be up around that £180k figure. As usual with anything like this though, the media will spin the highest figures possible to make it sound better for them.

Either way it's a lot of money but Mason Mount has just signed a new contract which apparently is around £75k and not played for Chelsea or at the highest level yet, it's just the way the game is going. 

I think it was key to get these young players signed up and committed long term to the club. They have a huge amount of potential and with Lampard they hopefully will have a manager ready to back them and show faith and confidence in them to help realise their potential.

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The wages being rumoured are so wildly different, I believe that it will initially be around the £100k mark and there are likely incentives regarding appearances, goals, trophies, international appearances, as well as inflationary annual increases that at some point during the contract he will likely be up around that £180k figure. As usual with anything like this though, the media will spin the highest figures possible to make it sound better for them.

Either way it's a lot of money but Mason Mount has just signed a new contract which apparently is around £75k and not played for Chelsea or at the highest level yet, it's just the way the game is going. 

I think it was key to get these young players signed up and committed long term to the club. They have a huge amount of potential and with Lampard they hopefully will have a manager ready to back them and show faith and confidence in them to help realise their potential.

I could be wrong but didn't Josh, Kakuta and the rest of the group we promoted in 2010 all get rises to around the 40-60k mark. Considering inflation that's probably about 150k a week in today's world.

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, Tomo said:

I could be wrong but didn't Josh, Kakuta and the rest of the group we promoted in 2010 all get rises to around the 40-60k mark. Considering inflation that's probably about 150k a week in today's world.

I think you could be right. I'm sure there was a big deal made about a contract Loftus-Cheek got early days too when he was nowhere near the first team.

It's big money and its important Chelsea don't get a problem with their young players moving forward like United and Arsenal have with their first team squad at present where one or two big money earners distort the whole scene. However in this instance for Hudson-Odoi to have played the amount of games across all competitions he did last season (and in a short period of time too) and made his England debut at just 18 years old shows he is a special case.

On the flip side too in normal circumstances he probably would have been looking at £40-50k contract anyway which would likely need renegotiating in a year or two as he plays more. This ties the boy down and immediately makes a £30-40m asset worth £80-100m minimum and hopefully beyond that we'll enjoy CHO becoming a mainstay and key player in this Chelsea squad.

The floor is now his...

 

[LAM09 7,056]

Because the club are usually in the strongest position.
This time there was Bayern's interest alongside the fact we couldn't afford another KDB situation which meant Odoi held all the ace cards even with his injury.

KDB and Salah showed signs of their ability at the top level, he hasn't.

I just hope this doesn't set a bad precedent going forward.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

KDB did. Salah not so much. No one expected Salah would turn into the beast he is but everyone had a good idea about KDB, especially after the 2013 preseason. 

[Superblue 6,372]

39 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

KDB and Salah showed signs of their ability at the top level, he hasn't.

I just hope this doesn't set a bad precedent going forward.

The other way to look at it would be his current standing within the squad. If he didn't get injured he likely would have finished the season with a few more starts under his belt and is at the very least considered very much a part of the first team squad and a solid rotational player. At best he is similar to RLC whereby he is 15-20 games or 3-6 months away from potentially being first choice in his position.

If you compare his standing in the squad to the likes of Giroud, Barkley and Alonso who are solid trusted rotational options but not definite first choice then those wages are perhaps fair because they are on a similar parity to these players.

Or compared to the likes of Drinkwater and Bakayoko who are further down the pecking order in their positions than CHO is, again the wages don't seem as much of an issue.

[LAM09 7,056]

The other way to look at it would be his current standing within the squad. If he didn't get injured he likely would have finished the season with a few more starts under his belt and is at the very least considered very much a part of the first team squad and a solid rotational player. At best he is similar to RLC whereby he is 15-20 games or 3-6 months away from potentially being first choice in his position.
If you compare his standing in the squad to the likes of Giroud, Barkley and Alonso who are solid trusted rotational options but not definite first choice then those wages are perhaps fair because they are on a similar parity to these players.
Or compared to the likes of Drinkwater and Bakayoko who are further down the pecking order in their positions than CHO is, again the wages don't seem as much of an issue.

Players ought to be paid what they are worth solely based on performances or actual influence on the team, instead he's earning his wage on hype rather than 5* performances on the field. RLC is FAR more deserving of such a wage but two wrongs don't make a right.

People need to stop using the same stupid excuse about "modern times". The club had no obligation to cough up.

It seems like only yesterday JT was our highest paid player earning £180pw having led the team to multiple titles as captain.

[LAM09 7,056]

KDB did. Salah not so much. No one expected Salah would turn into the beast he is but everyone had a good idea about KDB, especially after the 2013 preseason. 

Salah did his bit in Serie A whilst he still owned by us, so the jump might have surprised some, but he was still a better option than most of our wingers back then and to date.

Cuadrado bought for £30m~ too. [emoji58]

[Superblue 6,372]

5 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Players ought to be paid what they are worth solely based on performances or actual influence on the team, instead he's earning his wage on hype rather than 5* performances on the field. RLC is FAR more deserving of such a wage but two wrongs don't make a right.

People need to stop using the same stupid excuse about "modern times". The club had no obligation to cough up.

It seems like only yesterday JT was our highest paid player earning £180pw having led the team to multiple titles as captain.

Of course the club had no obligation to cough up but it would be stupid not to. We're being offered around £30m for an 18 year old with 12 months on his contract and would lose him next year for minimal compensation. 

Signed up for 5 years, as an asset he suddenly becomes worth £80-100m. I would expect in September/October when we first wanted to renew him we would have been looking at £40-50k possibly as a contract anyway. If we're paying an extra £2.5-3m per annum in wages to him but increased his market value by about £50m it makes complete financial sense. 

I completely agree with you that wages should be earned on performances and not hype or potential but its not as simple as that and quite frankly I'd rather we overpay him a little and take that chance that he'll realise his potential and be worth the money as opposed to not paying up and losing a player who could become a serious talent given the platform.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

5 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Salah did his bit in Serie A whilst he still owned by us, so the jump might have surprised some, but he was still a better option than most of our wingers back then and to date.

Cuadrado bought for £30m~ too.

This was during a time many of us, myself included, got caught up in the whole Mourinho work rate > technical ability hype. 

Oscar+Ramires > Mata + KDB

Willian > Salah 

[the wes 7,212]

Callum Hudson-Odoi representatives request Chelsea No10 shirt as part of new deal

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea/callum-hudsonodoi-representatives-request-chelsea-no10-shirt-as-part-of-new-deal-a4198261.html

[the wes 7,212]

A 18 year old demanding a number 10 jersey he should be proud to put any number on his back to play for Chelsea I can't stand the attitude of CHO already sell him to fuck you have to earn the number not demand it  Hazard wore 17 he didn't demand the number 10 jersey when he signed for Chelsea 

[Hamilton 2,120]

38 minutes ago, the wes said:

A 18 year old demanding a number 10 jersey he should be proud to put any number on his back to play for Chelsea I can't stand the attitude of CHO already sell him to fuck you have to earn the number not demand it  Hazard wore 17 he didn't demand the number 10 jersey when he signed for Chelsea 

I think the 10 was not available back then

[the wes 7,212]

5 minutes ago, Hamilton said:

I think the 10 was not available back then

Mata had it back then 

[Superblue 6,372]

45 minutes ago, the wes said:

A 18 year old demanding a number 10 jersey he should be proud to put any number on his back to play for Chelsea I can't stand the attitude of CHO already sell him to fuck you have to earn the number not demand it  Hazard wore 17 he didn't demand the number 10 jersey when he signed for Chelsea 

I doubt it's a demand, but it's more than likely a discussion point which is more than respectable because that number is available. If another player already had that number I don't think this would be an issue.

Now if it's a case of, for example, CHO and Willian both wanting the number 10 shirt I would be inclined to give it to Willian who will likely be here only for another season or two and dangle the carrot to CHO to pay his dues and perform and that shirt will be available again in the near future. The club however may view it in a different way and feel that CHO is more marketable longer term than Willian and would benefit as a result from that shirt number.

 

 

[the wes 7,212]

35 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I doubt it's a demand, but it's more than likely a discussion point which is more than respectable because that number is available. If another player already had that number I don't think this would be an issue.

Now if it's a case of, for example, CHO and Willian both wanting the number 10 shirt I would be inclined to give it to Willian who will likely be here only for another season or two and dangle the carrot to CHO to pay his dues and perform and that shirt will be available again in the near future. The club however may view it in a different way and feel that CHO is more marketable longer term than Willian and would benefit as a result from that shirt number.

 

 

Why not signed new deal after that then request for number 10 jersey ?? Instead of put in the request in with his new deal talks