Ross Barkley

[Clockwork 1,794]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

His passing in the first half against Palace...Jesus Christ! Hope all that recent praise hasn't gotten to his head!

He has poor awareness and decision making always been the case.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Nobody in MF bar Jorginho passed well in the first half I thought. Even Jorgi gave some balls away but there is a much better decision making process when Ross gets the ball, which even when he makes bad passes or mistakes he still gets on the ball and still manages to find his team mates. Kante and Azpi were more concerning for me in regards to giving the ball away today, a lot of sloppy passes after 1-1.

Still not an excuse, is it? Pretty sure Barkley gave the ball more times away than anyone else and it wasn't like those passes were long range passes, they were short passes and he messed up so many times. 

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

59 minutes ago, Jason said:

Still not an excuse, is it? Pretty sure Barkley gave the ball more times away than anyone else and it wasn't like those passes were long range passes, they were short passes and he messed up so many times. 

Perhaps but you could see today that nobody was completely sharp for the full 90 minutes in MF, we were sloppy. Ross has had 4 or 5 games on the bounce where hes been impressive, think we can let him off for misplacing a few passes, everybody had an off day in that regard.

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

Barkley and Kovacic should both be in the side. Kante should lose out as he has been shoe-horned out of his natural position. Sarri is trying to turn him into Allan, which he’s not. IMO our best midfield going forward in terms of balance and fluidity would be:

Kovacic-Jorginho-Barkley

[Vesper 28,855]

9 hours ago, BlueLion. said:

Got to be honest, and this is no indictment of Kovacic, but I'm not really that bothered if Mateo stays at Real beyond this season, because Ross can do his job - and arguably, he's better at it. 

Yes, I know they are different players with different skill sets, and yes, they offer different things... but I think Barkley is more suited to the style of play Sarri wants to see. Kovacic is great at carrying the ball and creating space for others with his movement, but this is something Loftus-Cheek offers, too. Ross is just different to the other CMs we have at the club. 

Kovacic is a superb football player, he needs to play where Kante is. His football intelligence and grasp of the game are truly WC,IMHO. Kante is one dimensional (it just so happens that his one dimension is to be the best DMF destroyer in the last 10 years of world football) so Sarri needs to either change his role, or just be prepared to always have (unless something changes) one hand tied behind out back in terms of MF offensive flow. Palace are simply dreadful in MF, and still he couldn't crack many nuts.

I absolutely fail to see why Sarri cannot come up with a scheme to unleash Kante AND keep a three man midfield. Kante and three CB's (like I have said many times before>) with all 4 handing off to Jorginho to start the ball a flowing. Those back 4 (Azpi as right CB) could surely provide enough width for adequate cover. and dropping Alonso will be no huge loss, as Kante can also provide left side cover (or right) as the situation warrants in the back third of the field. 3 CB's also takes pressure off Luiz (as he would be in the middle CB) to also push ball up a bit and take advantage of his true strength (passing). Kovacic would also be on the left (B to B MF) and is superb at track backs and is more than capable of high pressing as well.

I am a BIG proponent of playing to the strengths of your players. Kante is being square-pegged into a round hole atm. Kovavcic is not a pure AMF.

If we simply let Kovacic go back to RM and do not bring in a another gifted CMF, I predict doom in terms of truly world class results. It just isnt going to happen, especially with the rest of the moves/lack of moves that appear to be on the horizon.

[El P. 1,354]

4 minutes ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

Barkley and Kovacic should both be in the side. Kante should lose out as he has been shoe-horned out of his natural position. Sarri is trying to turn him into Allan, which he’s not. IMO our best midfield going forward in terms of balance and fluidity would be:

Kovacic-Jorginho-Barkley

Kante was not shoe-horned out of his natural position, he was shoe-horned out of his natural system. That system being compact/defensive one.

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

6 minutes ago, El P. said:

Kante was not shoe-horned out of his natural position, he was shoe-horned out of his natural system. That system being compact/defensive one.

I don’t think he should be playing so advanced but I get what you’re saying.

[El P. 1,354]

Just now, Dazzy_Vance said:

I don’t think he should be playing so advanced but I get what you’re saying.

Yes, we are thinking the same. He is playing that advanced because of the attacking system. I don't think anyone who wants to play attacking-pass-free-flowing football would have him at the defensive midfielder position.

[Milan 17,854]

Mr. Play-it-safe. I don't know if it is a lack of confidence but he is far, far from being a quality addition or having an impact from the bench. Our midfield options, apart from Kante, are very limited. The club needs to address this as well as other positions. And there are many of those.

[Fernando 6,465]

21 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

Mr. Play-it-safe. I don't know if it is a lack of confidence but he is far, far from being a quality addition or having an impact from the bench. Our midfield options, apart from Kante, are very limited. The club needs to address this as well as other positions. And there are many of those.

He is just good to have for the HG quota. 

[Vesper 28,855]

30 minutes ago, Fernando said:

He is just good to have for the HG quota. 

dont need him for HG

he has had his shot, and unless he really steps up in next 5 months

he needs to GO

 

 

[1chelsea 864]

Shitty player to much hype


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[OneMoSalah 8,778]

3 hours ago, milan.cech said:

Mr. Play-it-safe. I don't know if it is a lack of confidence but he is far, far from being a quality addition or having an impact from the bench. Our midfield options, apart from Kante, are very limited. The club needs to address this as well as other positions. And there are many of those.

Again, like Jorginhos situation sort of. Its fair to say hes struggling at times with the lack of movement infront of him but sometimes he is safe when you want him to take a risk yes. Sarri has said our movement can improve and we can attack the box better though so he obviously realizes this. Not related to Ross but noa, Hazard as a 9 is a non option for me, drops far too deep in central areas in the middle of the pitch which is already congested, takes too many touches like all our attackers, rarely in the box because hes that deep to get involved. A 9 would boost this team a lot.

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, milan.cech said:

Mr. Play-it-safe. I don't know if it is a lack of confidence but he is far, far from being a quality addition or having an impact from the bench. Our midfield options, apart from Kante, are very limited. The club needs to address this as well as other positions. And there are many of those.

 

7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Again, like Jorginhos situation sort of. Its fair to say hes struggling at times with the lack of movement infront of him but sometimes he is safe when you want him to take a risk yes. Sarri has said our movement can improve and we can attack the box better though so he obviously realizes this. Not related to Ross but noa, Hazard as a 9 is a non option for me, drops far too deep in central areas in the middle of the pitch which is already congested, takes too many touches like all our attackers, rarely in the box because hes that deep to get involved. A 9 would boost this team a lot.

Feel like part of the problem is down to the rigid tactical instruction. Even Kovacic rarely takes risks when he plays in that position and notice how Kante in the RCM position is the one that always has the freedom to make those off the ball runs and attack the opposition box. We rarely ever see that from the left side.

[Vesper 28,855]

Ross Barkley is running out of chances at Chelsea

https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/chelsea/ross-barkley-is-running-out-of-chances-at-chelsea

Ross Barkley looked like a man possessed at the start of the season as he begun to stake a claim in the starting XI upon the arrival of Maurizio Sarri; the former Everton man had previously looked unlikely to show anything more than glimpses of what we knew he was capable of during his time at Goodison Park.

Under new management, the 25-year-old seemed to have found a new lease of life – particularly during October, where he scored and teed up three in as many games – however he has been unable to carry that form further and has neither netted or assisted since.

The England international’s poor form was compounded by his recent performance against London rivals, Spurs, in the Carabao Cup semi-final – Chelsea were edged out by the Lilywhites but the 1-0 scoreline was not necessarily a representation of how the game played out, in particular for Barkley.

Sarri’s midfield three are highly contested roles in his team as the Italian has a variety of options to choose from but is very clear about what he demands from each.

The manager’s refusal to deploy N’golo Kante in a holding midfield role is testament to his determination – some may call it stubbornness – to ensure his tactics and ideals are executed on the pitch.

World Cup winner Kante seems to understand what is required of him in his new, more advanced role and was one of the best players on the park on Tuesday but the same cannot be said of Barkley, who was deservedly substituted for his poor showing.

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[Unionjack 7,531]

Hes coming across like magnolia paint right now

Hes got the same touch of apathy the rest of the lads seem to have. But we have seen that he can do better and thats the reason peeps get mad. It would be different if he was always crap.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Hes coming across like magnolia paint right now

Hes got the same touch of apathy the rest of the lads seem to have. But we have seen that he can do better and thats the reason peeps get mad. It would be different if he was always crap.

Tbf its hardly like anybody bar Kante and Luiz are playing reslly well anyway.

Suppose since Ross is like Alonso and Willian, considered below average by folk on here he has a huge task on his hands convincing anybody, as do those 2. Jorginho kind of falling into that bracket but the usual untouchable getting away with average performances for a while now. Fair enough he can do better but if someones going to tell me hes the only one then they should open their eyes.

[Unionjack 7,531]

12 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf its hardly like anybody bar Kante and Luiz are playing reslly well anyway.

Suppose since Ross is like Alonso and Willian, considered below average by folk on here he has a huge task on his hands convincing anybody, as do those 2. Jorginho kind of falling into that bracket but the usual untouchable getting away with average performances for a while now. Fair enough he can do better but if someones going to tell me hes the only one then they should open their eyes.

Oh no mate not by far!

And as for Barkley Ive been one of his biggest supporters and still not given up hope completely on him. Its just it puzzles me greatly how he can go thru a very good period back down to having no real ooomph.

I was all for trying him as RW for awhile - I just dunno whats best. But Shirly you must want an upgrade for that position. I think its a priority after striker even with all of our CM players

Its not easy to understand just why we can go from playing as well and tight as that 2nd half v Shitty to how we play alot of time now. If anyone had an answer they could make a lot of money advising!