🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Ross Barkley

[Dimitr 488]

8 minutes ago, Leif said:

my fucking club 

embarrassed and annoyed.

STFU

[Leif 6,006]

Another player where nobody will be able to list 2 positive traits yet somehow still enjoy this move.

Now it'll be: 'He can shoot from long range!!!!!'. Those 20 goals in 150 games sure are something.

And, if he'll be scoring lots for us, he'll also be starting lots for us too - yet, who in the past year or 2 has said, 'for us to go forward...for us to improve...for us to ensure players like Hazard are given the platform they need....we need Ross Barkley.'? He's about to offer nothing. He's about to offer average all-round qualities you'd expect from a West Ham player. I cannot believe this

[Leif 6,006]

1 minute ago, Dimitr said:

STFU

Post something interesting and i will.

[Leif 6,006]

he will be very good player!!! he english! shoot from long range!! give him time!!!

[Leif 6,006]

Nothing's a bargain if it's just clutter to add to your hoarding.

Holy fuck I'm still stunned as I type this. Imagine thinking anything we lack can be solved by a move like thisAbsolutely dread the next 5-8 years for us; the writing's been on the wall. Now it's been bashed in with a hammer as if to say 'nope, not changing - this is the new Chelsea.' 

[El P. 1,354]

1 minute ago, Leif said:

he will be very good player!!! he english! shoot from long range!! give him time!!!

I get what you are saying, but isn't he a good dribbler? At least decent passer? Don't know much about him except from PES.

[Dimitr 488]

4 minutes ago, Leif said:

Post something interesting and i will.

Tell me one only one other target.  Who is better than Barkley  and can play for ucl . 

[manpe 10,861]

7 minutes ago, Leif said:

Another player where nobody will be able to list 2 positive traits yet somehow still enjoy this move.

Now it'll be: 'He can shoot from long range!!!!!'. Those 20 goals in 150 games sure are something.

And, if he'll be scoring lots for us, he'll also be starting lots for us too - yet, who in the past year or 2 has said, 'for us to go forward...for us to improve...for us to ensure players like Hazard are given the platform they need....we need Ross Barkley.'? He's about to offer nothing. He's about to offer average all-round qualities you'd expect from a West Ham player. I cannot believe this

Now I'm worried, you are often correct with your assessments.

[Pizy 18,909]

Listening to Conte basically speaking as though he's a Chelsea player already. Also made it sound like it'll probably be a while before we see him on the pitch.

[Leif 6,006]

1 minute ago, El P. said:

I get what you are saying, but isn't he a good dribbler? At least decent passer? Don't know much about him except from PES.

I think, roughly, he's as good at dribbling as Moses is, as good at passing as Cahill is, and about as hard-working as Loftus-Cheek is.

From what I remember, he has the tackling ability of current Bakayoko, the same level of mental awareness (lack of quick-thinking).

Everton fans main gripe is that he's never been consistent in his life. Never played 3 good games in a row in his life. 

I think playing 5-10 solid (not exceptional) games with wondergoals, along with playing a hundred anonymous games, shows the level he is. At 24.

Elite.

(We'd sign this level of player for £2.5m if we were shopping in Germany. But because we'd be shopping in Germany, there'd be none of this 'He's English' nonsense. So this level of player would instantly be sent out on loan, never to return.)

[El P. 1,354]

3 minutes ago, Leif said:

I think, roughly, he's as good at dribbling as Moses is, as good at passing as Cahill is, and about as hard-working as Loftus-Cheek is.

From what I remember, he has the tackling ability of current Bakayoko, the same level of mental awareness (lack of quick-thinking).

Everton fans main gripe is that he's never been consistent in his life. Never played 3 good games in a row in his life. 

I think playing 5-10 solid (not exceptional) games with wondergoals, along with playing a hundred anonymous games, shows the level he is. At 24.

Elite.

(We'd sign this level of player for £2.5m if we were shopping in Germany. But because we'd be shopping in Germany, there'd be none of this 'He's English' nonsense. So this level of player would instantly be sent out on loan, never to return.)

Well,... sounds like another Pato signing then, except he is younger and English.

[Dimitr 488]

@Leif you made my day 

you said Salah is  nothing and now he is one of the best . 

Fucking logic of fucking Chelsea fan . 

Chelsea isn’t a good team because  their supporters  haven’t brain . 

 

Tell me one fucking cm. Better than Barkley who is available   World class and can he plays in UCL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[Superblue 6,372]

When I've watched him at Everton he is inconsistent, not just game to game but throughout a game itself but when i watch him i can't help but feel he's trying way to hard. Whether that is something to do with playing for his boyhood club I'm not sure but everton fans seem to get on his back far quicker than other players.

There are definite risks with the deal but i do feel for the price it's worth a punt to see if a new environment and new coaching methods, out of his comfort zone, etc kicks him on. 

Plenty of examples of players failing and succeeding to step up to that top level and you simply don't know until they are given the opportunity.

[Leif 6,006]

36 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Tell me one only one other target.  Who is better than Barkley  and can play for ucl . 

Well how do we define a target? Just anyone the papers have linked us to? Or people we've been linked with before Conte came? I don't think we've really been linked with anyone solidly in midfield. But I can list midfielders who aren't cup-tied, or are but still worth it, who actually have the potential to improve the team noticeably.

Torreira (everyone wanted Verratti, why the hell wouldn't you want him?)
Milinkovic-Savic (the perfect player) (cup-tied, yet worth signing ASAP. if we need a CM now, bring back Van Ginkel, Loftus-Cheek, etc until Savic is here and ready.)
Illarramendi (the ideal stop-gap; actually good enough to provide for us today, yet cheap enough and shoddy-of-a-history-enough to ensure little-to-no financial loss should he not provide what we want.)
Benat (same as above, less ideal player but certainly a brilliant playmaker)
Seri (same cup-tied scenario as Savic, similar player to Verratti like Torreira is; would be taken by Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid, United, everyone.)

Half of them are good enough to lead us upwards in climbing the ladder we've slipped from & unlock the potential of attacking players around them further. And that's not the level Barkley's on. 

Considering Barkley's hardly better than a handful of our youngsters, why buy him now, instead of wait for an actually great player? Is there a fetish on here for signing genuinely mediocre players, so they can transcend logic and become world-beaters? 
I'd re-call someone like Van Ginkel or RLC if we must have a central midfielder now!!!!! & then find a square peg to fit our square hole in the summer, instead of force this nobody on ourselves. Take away his English nationality and he's nothing in footballing terms. Battling to be as good as Meireles.

[Leif 6,006]

25 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

@Leif you made my day 

you said Salah is  nothing and now he is one of the best . 

Fucking logic of fucking Chelsea fan . 

Chelsea isn’t a good team because  their supporters  haven’t brain . 

 

Tell me one fucking cm. Better than Barkley who is available   World class and can he plays in UCL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

No. I said, somewhere, we were correct to sell Salah in the environment we were in back then, and that still today, Salah would stunt us going forward from having a fully fluid, consistent team at the top level. He is not one of the best - his form is a level or 2 behind that. He's statistically productive; a lot more-so than when with us too, due to Roma's nurturing. 

Why do i need to provide world class players when you're providing Barkley? Shouldn't i be providing like-for-like players? 

[Azpinator 2,325]

@Leif

I've been in this forum for almost 6 years now. I truly have never seen any positivity come out of you and it's quite amazing how much of a buzz killer you can be. I'm in no way implying that you are incorrect about Barkley, but goodness me, you have quite the talent in dragging spirits to the mud!

It's not the end of the world, it's just a signing.

[Leif 6,006]

6 minutes ago, Azpinator said:

@Leif

I've been in this forum for almost 6 years now. I truly have never seen any positivity come out of you and it's quite amazing how much of a buzz killer you can be. I'm in no way implying that you are incorrect about Barkley, but goodness me, you have quite the talent in dragging spirits to the mud!

It's not the end of the world, it's just a signing.

I'm not dragging spirits in the mud if, as you could be implying, there's a chance I'm right about Barkley. Surely that would just be reporting things as they are?

Often, it's about seeing only one-sided views being posted; and someone needs to inject an opposing one to make people think, especially if that person (me in this scenario) is genuinely 'on that other side' not being reported. If that's a buzz-kill to anyone, they need to grow their mind.

I wouldn't exactly call you Mr Positive either. Or Mr Negative. If you say I lack positivity, I say you lack the full-bodied nature which makes us human.

'It's just a signing'. Right. And we just won the Champions League; its just a playful competition, it wasn't a big deal, right. (If what we do today is not a big deal, what we did then wasn't.)
Get involved with the drama. If you dislike passion or views which clash from yours, my god football is not your sport. And if those critical views are 'negative', that's a really, really short-sighted way of seeing things.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Its 15m. This is nothing today. 

If it doesnt work, we can easily add another midfilder of high quality and ship Barkley on loan and sell him for profit.

I hope we dont hinder RLC chances though, I think he deserves a shot. But even so, I think RLC should be out on loan playing regulary next two years, so we can get something from Barkley. 

If it works great, we get cheap english player, if not he will be bench player. 

Bottom line we can sign another Vidal/Seri/Savic anytime if we want. 

If Barkley cost 30-40m that would be concern though. Then we have rather expensive midfielder and we cant just sign another one if it doesnt work.

[DDA 9,938]

How much are we paying for him?

[Dimitr 488]

12 minutes ago, Leif said:

No. I said we were correct to sell Salah in the environment we were in back then, and that still today, Salah would stunt us going forward from having a fully fluid, consistent team at the top level. He is not one of the best - his form is a level or 2 behind that. He's statistically productive; a lot more-so than when with us, too, due to Roma's nurturing. 

Why do i need to provide world class players when you're providing Barkley? Shouldn't i be providing like-for-like players? 

I can’t understand why you don’t like this signing.ok he is not world class  but we can buy a world class in January?? Not 

 

if we can buy. A world class player this month why we must sign him ? We will not hunt man city ,probably we end up in second place  and might win fa cup etc .

 Why we must buy Lemar in this window. ??  We are already dead in the hunt of man city . Next year again. 

Barkley and mahrez can play in ucl so I hope to buy them .