Richarlison

[Arlen Correa 161]

12 hours ago, scargo said:

Another waste of money. We have already many talent in same position. Besides, he is not a type(like llorente) that we need

Wallace, Piazon, Nathan, Kenedy,, Brazil league prospects have never been successful

1 - none of those players were good in the professional. Dont know if its only poor scout system or another thing.

2 - A strong scout system in Brazil/France/Argentina should be a pretty obvious strategy.

Chelsea never signed ONE top player right from Brazil. Only kids with few professional experience and gambles.

3 - Richarlison has the same age as Gabriel Jesus(20), he(Richarlison) was supposed to be better, but in 2016 Gabriel Jesus was in the richest team of the continent and current Brazilian champion - Palmeiras, while Richarlison was playing for a poor/struggling Fluminense and had two injuries in the feet.

Now he's carrying this poor team filled with U-20.

 

4 - If Gabriel Jesus cam be starter in the EPL, Richarlison can do it too, he's an overall better player.

 

I think i was the first to talk about the player here, but he will not come to Chelsea, he will sign for Ajax.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

8 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

1 - none of those players were good in the professional. Dont know if its only poor scout system or another thing.

Definitely poor scouting. From just their YouTube videos is was clear that neither Wallace nor Kennedy were going to be good enough so if their recruitment was about finding potential first teamers then that was a fail. If there was another, financial, aim behind the plan then maybe it was a success. We do not, and will never, know the detailed figures but it is possible.

 

8 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

2 - A strong scout system in Brazil/France/Argentina should be a pretty obvious strategy.

Agreed.

 

8 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

4 - If Gabriel Jesus cam be starter in the EPL, Richarlison can do it too, he's an overall better player.

I have not been as impressed by Gabriel Jesus's skill set as many people seem to have been, so I'm ready to believe what you say here. Especially since, unlike the lads I mentioned above, Richarlison shows well in his YouTube videos. Those videos made me want to move on to watching all touches recordings. I was put off a bit though by a post from a Brazilian football watcher who says that Richarlison is not particularly good and that a Fluminense teammate of his, whose name I've forgotten, is a much better prospect.

[Rekin 835]

9 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

1 - none of those players were good in the professional. Dont know if its only poor scout system or another thing.

2 - A strong scout system in Brazil/France/Argentina should be a pretty obvious strategy.

Chelsea never signed ONE top player right from Brazil. Only kids with few professional experience and gambles.

3 - Richarlison has the same age as Gabriel Jesus(20), he(Richarlison) was supposed to be better, but in 2016 Gabriel Jesus was in the richest team of the continent and current Brazilian champion - Palmeiras, while Richarlison was playing for a poor/struggling Fluminense and had two injuries in the feet.

Now he's carrying this poor team filled with U-20.

 

4 - If Gabriel Jesus cam be starter in the EPL, Richarlison can do it too, he's an overall better player.

 

I think i was the first to talk about the player here, but he will not come to Chelsea, he will sign for Ajax.

Do you know for a fact that he is joining Ajax? 

[Arlen Correa 161]

6 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Definitely poor scouting. From just their YouTube videos is was clear that neither Wallace nor Kennedy were going to be good enough so if their recruitment was about finding potential first teamers then that was a fail. If there was another, financial, aim behind the plan then maybe it was a success. We do not, and will never, know the detailed figures but it is possible.

 

Agreed.

 

I have not been as impressed by Gabriel Jesus's skill set as many people seem to have been, so I'm ready to believe what you say here. Especially since, unlike the lads I mentioned above, Richarlison shows well in his YouTube videos. Those videos made me want to move on to watching all touches recordings. I was put off a bit though by a post from a Brazilian football watcher who says that Richarlison is not particularly good and that a Fluminense teammate of his, whose name I've forgotten, is a much better prospect.

The guy was probably talking about WENDELL(19); Richarlisons teammate.
He's a very skilfull box2box who scores amazing long ranges.
I agree, Wendell is a superior footballer, but is hard to compare since he's part of the defensive system and attacking players tend to have more highlights in the football world.

When you see the media talking about some new Brazilian player, is better to search his name in the papers: O Globo; O Lance, G1; Espn Brasil.
The translation Portuguese/English in the Google is pretty good and its easy to realize what's the real opinion on the player.

About the guy saying he's not particulary good, of course is an opinion; but Brazilian fans will say that about the vast majority of attacking players..they have a unrealistic standard in their minds. Kaka, Rivaldo, Bebeto, etc; all were booed by their fans in their time. The typical Brazilian fan only supports the club, not the players.

Richarlison had two injuries last year and was struggling in the start of this season to gain form; but now you can see he's getting better and better month after month.

Dont know if will be wc. Probably. But is NT material for sure.

About Gabriel Jesus; he's not a trick winger. More like a player with impact in the games and good IQ to find spaces.
Not saying he's average, some players you just dont know why they're good, like Thomas Muller.

Richarlison is better than GJ imo because he  can finish with both legs with same level.
GJ has a weak left.

By what i know he's going to Ajax.

[the wes 7,212]

Ajax have ended their interest in Chelsea and Manchester United target Richarlison, who is believed to be on his way to the Premier League this sum

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/07/31/ajax-end-interest-in-brazilian-with-claims-chelsea-and-manchester-united-target-premier-league-bound/345234/#ixzz4oPMiRgG7

 

[Henrique 9,133]

Richarlison is moving to Watford. It seems he is London to sign the deal.

[the wes 7,212]

 

[Special Juan 28,092]

Vitesse will be gutted.

[It's too big 625]

That was a surprise, he looks like he could be a quality player tbh. I don't see the need for him here though as we already have plenty wide attacking players. 

[Arlen Correa 161]

3 hours ago, It's too big said:

That was a surprise, he looks like he could be a quality player tbh. I don't see the need for him here though as we already have plenty wide attacking players. 

Yep. Apparently Ajax offer was €12mi and Watfords €15mi.

I dont think a move to a big EPL club would be the best option right now; this loan-system will not work with Brazilians.

But i bet he will score much more playing in those impecable pitches and in less hostile environments.

[the wes 7,212]

5 minutes ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

Yep. Apparently Ajax offer was €12mi and Watfords €15mi.

I dont think a move to a big EPL club would be the best option right now; this loan-system will not work with Brazilians.

But i bet he will score much more playing in those impecable pitches and in less hostile environments.

Do you think thiago maia a good player mate ? 

[Arlen Correa 161]

2 hours ago, the wes said:

Do you think thiago maia a good player mate ? 

Yes, he's very calm for a 20 years old guy and has excellent skills.

I was reading that site of the Lille fans(using the google translate), apparently he made a very good cameo in his debut under Bielsa.

In general Brazilian defenders/full backs and attacking players tend to have the same level or superior in Europe, but the midfielders flop on a colossal percentage; so we need to see if he will adapt.

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

On 23/07/2017 at 1:51 PM, scargo said:

Another waste of money. We have already many talent in same position. Besides, he is not a type(like llorente) that we need

Wallace, Piazon, Nathan, Kenedy,, Brazil league prospects have never been successful

I knew, and still know, nothing about Nathan, I did not watch Piazon before he was signed but I did see videos of Wallace & Kennedy before they arrived. In both cases I posted to say neither was good enough and should not be signed. My point?

Brazilian players might at least have a chance to be successful if we avoid buying bad ones.

As for Richarlison, I like what I've seen although I take seriously the note of caution from a Brazilian football watcher who says Richarlison is not that good really. If he lands at Watford it might be a sort of confirmation of that but at least we'll get to see him and make a proper judgment of our own. 

[DDA 9,924]

Watford. 😉

[the wes 7,212]

23 minutes ago, DDA said:

Watford. 😉

It will be big pay day for Watford if he turns out to be cracking player