Tiemoue Bakayoko

[Magic Lamps 11,654]

10 hours ago, Special Juan said:

No man of the match awards could do him enough justice, he's like Alonso, very average and if we are to kick on and be anything like we should he shouldn't be coming back here.

This is the problem now, we are lagging behind City due to the sheer average players we buy, have hanging around or out on loan.

Trim the shite out of the team and buy the quality needed for fucks sake.

while you are spot on with point 2 and 3, I do not quite like the comparison to Alonso. Alonso is just a below-average defender who likes to hang around the opposition's box and thus happens to score or assist goals every once in  a while. Then he gets his Motm and everyone is talking what a great leftback he is. And that is because he is ok at scoring goals for a defender but moreso because every pundit out there is too lazy to assess a what a left-back actually has to do in a game when most oppositions we play are too shit to actually exploit his torrid tactical game. Bakayoko on the other hand actually gets those MOTM awards for the player he acutally is supposed to be. A combative DM. So as Baka, opposite to Alonso, actually has the necessary skills to be good at his job but has a different problem - he is a confidence player. Remember those 10m passes he put out for a throw in under no pressure or those extremely late tackles? Cant tell me is not capable of doing these things right. He just was too afraid. ACtually he is more like Morata. Both more or less have the physical and techncial qualities for their positions but blow hot and cold because of their mental consitution. And with both being in their mid 20ies i think it is too late to expect a quick fix to that. Football is a business where young men have to be able to withstand a certain kind of pressure. Make a decision in no time and execute it perfectly with millions watching. Few people are cut out for this and it is only natural many guys never really adapt to it. 

Moreover, I think the problem with both of them also is that even if there was some magic trick to fix their confidence issues forever and Baka and Morata were always on top form, IMO they still would be just about good enough. When we recall Morata's and Bakas best matches against oppositions who actually put on a fight not sth like that game were we waltzed Stoke from minute 1, were they really brilliant? IMO they weren't. Say Morata vs ManU when he scored the winner or Baka vs Atletico away. Thsoe were good performances but if that is the best you can get out of them on top form IMO that is not enough. 

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On 12/4/2018 at 0:47 PM, Magic Lamps said:

while you are spot on with point 2 and 3, I do not quite like the comparison to Alonso. Alonso is just a below-average defender who likes to hang around the opposition's box and thus happens to score or assist goals every once in  a while. Then he gets his Motm and everyone is talking what a great leftback he is. And that is because he is ok at scoring goals for a defender but moreso because every pundit out there is too lazy to assess a what a left-back actually has to do in a game when most oppositions we play are too shit to actually exploit his torrid tactical game. Bakayoko on the other hand actually gets those MOTM awards for the player he acutally is supposed to be. A combative DM. So as Baka, opposite to Alonso, actually has the necessary skills to be good at his job but has a different problem - he is a confidence player. Remember those 10m passes he put out for a throw in under no pressure or those extremely late tackles? Cant tell me is not capable of doing these things right. He just was too afraid. ACtually he is more like Morata. Both more or less have the physical and techncial qualities for their positions but blow hot and cold because of their mental consitution. And with both being in their mid 20ies i think it is too late to expect a quick fix to that. Football is a business where young men have to be able to withstand a certain kind of pressure. Make a decision in no time and execute it perfectly with millions watching. Few people are cut out for this and it is only natural many guys never really adapt to it. 

for the record I completely disagree about your description of alonso. Not really debating your opinion of him as a player. Though I also strongly disagree that Bakayoko has the necessary skills, which he does not: for the very technical modern game.

To me it is as clear as day that Alonso is a left midfielder. Was with Conte and still is in Sarri's system. No he does not roam around the opposition box like a striker.  Merely watching him play, or might want to check his heatmap too https://twitter.com/fplchampion/status/1033764598351110146, and it becomes obvious he's always in midfield. Not doing overlaps for crosses, but linking up between the CMs and the AMs.

Our system is very well defined and old as fuck: one left back joins in the middle as an additional midfielder to populate the area, while the other sits back and joins the defense line as a 3rd CB. First time I've seen this was in the 90s (implemented by Scolari :)).

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Tiemoue Bakayoko transfer a 'priority' for AC Milan after incredible transformation - report

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/tiemoue-bakayoko-ac-milan-transfer-15507401

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11 minutes ago, mccg said:

Tiemoue Bakayoko transfer a 'priority' for AC Milan after incredible transformation - report

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/transfer-news/tiemoue-bakayoko-ac-milan-transfer-15507401

Sell sell sell

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

Sell sell sell

Don't know how much truth in this story back in August? Wasnt there a £5 mill loan fee also ?So we would get most of our money back with that 1 ...if it goes down.

Chelsea transfer news: Blues risk £13m LOSS with deal agreed
CHELSEA could make a £13m loss on flop signing Tiemoue Bakayoko if the player joins AC Milan this summer.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1000732/Chelsea-transfer-news-Tiemoue-Bakayoko-AC-Milan

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Man what a chant its such a shame it went all down hill after that Atletico away fixture. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

Earning rave reviews recently with the Milan fans. Think they’ll end up buying him if he continues good form. 

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AC Milan decide to acquire new and improved Bakayoko, start talks with Chelsea — report

 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2018/12/10/18134619/ac-milan-decide-to-acquire-new-and-improved-bakayoko-start-talks-with-chelsea-report

[Tomo 21,733]

On 04/12/2018 at 4:40 PM, manpe said:

I on the other hand don't see how it CAN work out. He is not a player for teams who want to play quick possession football. I have seen enough of him to know that even if he does generally improve dramatically, his characteristics and playing style anyway aren't suitable for a team that wants to play on the front foot. A player so technically lacking at that age will never improve to required levels.

A player so technically lacking at all doesn't improve, natural talent is either there or it ain't, if you struggle to control a football at 15 you will at 26. That's why i use to cringe when people used his youth as an excuse for Lukaku being a crap footballer and alas coming up 26 he's no better than he was when he was "only 22 ".

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32 minutes ago, Tomo said:

A player so technically lacking at all doesn't improve, natural talent is either there or it ain't, if you struggle to control a football at 15 you will at 26. That's why i use to cringe when people used his youth as an excuse for Lukaku being a crap footballer and alas coming up 26 he's no better than he was when he was "only 22 ".

Lewandowski in early years was donkey on the ball too, but he improved massively. He is no Ronaldo, but he is more than good on the ball.

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21 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Lewandowski in early years was donkey on the ball too, but he improved massively. He is no Ronaldo, but he is more than good on the ball.

I can't speak for Lewa as i didn't see him pre 2012 but in my experience of watching footy and playing with numerous team mates i can't think of one example of a player going from "clown shoes"  to even having acceptable technique.

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57 minutes ago, Tomo said:

A player so technically lacking at all doesn't improve, natural talent is either there or it ain't, if you struggle to control a football at 15 you will at 26. That's why i use to cringe when people used his youth as an excuse for Lukaku being a crap footballer and alas coming up 26 he's no better than he was when he was "only 22 ".

Bakayoko turned 24 three and a half months ago.

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His passing seems to have improved:

Though, he still seems to do that thing where he dribbles aimlessly in to a dead end, then turn around looking for short pass to escape.

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1 hour ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

His passing seems to have improved:

Though, he still seems to do that thing where he dribbles aimlessly in to a dead end, then turn around looking for short pass to escape.

Where the hell was that Baka??? SMDH

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On ‎10‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 8:07 PM, Tomo said:

A player so technically lacking at all doesn't improve, natural talent is either there or it ain't, if you struggle to control a football at 15 you will at 26. That's why i use to cringe when people used his youth as an excuse for Lukaku being a crap footballer and alas coming up 26 he's no better than he was when he was "only 22 ".

Good to read such sense. I lost count of the number of times I was told I was talking rubbish for explaining that the teenage Rom was never going to develop silky technique. Oh but he's so young they said. There are many things a footballer can improve through practice but talent isn't one of them. To those tempted to disagree now, I'd say the same thing I've said to others in the past. If experience, coaching and practice are all it takes then why isn't everyone as good as Lionel Messi?

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Love people are shocked that his passings improved slightly haha it couldnt have got any worse put it that way 😂 

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Central midfielders have it a lot easier in Italy than they do England. Not reading into his form too much.

[DDA 9,690]

Do not get it twisted. Bakayoko is still a donkey. You would be a fool to think otherwise.