Tiemoue Bakayoko

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 minute ago, AK-3001 said:

I have only seen him play when he was being used as a Holding Midfielder, especially against Dortmund.

 

How does he play when he plays beside Fabinho, who's more of a central defensive mid? 

 

I wanted Tolisso more to be honest, more attacking and can score goals. But not too sad about missing him out if we're getting Bakayoko instead. 

In CL he had quite restricted role more or less, limiting him. He was ordered to sit back and protect the line, make simple passes. 

He was realy good in both spurs games, but I was not even close to impressed against City and Juve, he could be alot better, however again, his role was to protect the back. 

Fabinho is definately more attacking generaly, more allround, but in ligue 1, they exchange who goes forward and who stays back, because both have advantages. Fabinho is better passer, Bakayoko is better dribbler. Generaly speaking, Bakayoko was brilliant in ligue 1, very powerful player. 

Simply said, he is better version of Matic, more mobile, better dribbler and quicker. Great at getting the ball back.

His weakness is however first touch and passing, specificaly against better teams like in CL. I cant say he is much better than Matic. He can be very frustrating in this part of game. But again, against spurs he was great both legs. 

That said, he can improve alot, in his best version he is very similar to Yaya and if he gets more consistent, we will have hell of a player.

Tolisso is alot more techical and still quite strong, making him ideal player, but that would mean Kante always playing DM with Tolisso going up. Bakayoko offers alot more versatility and gives Kante freedom to be B2B. 

[AK-3001 286]

13 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

In CL he had quite restricted role more or less, limiting him. He was ordered to sit back and protect the line, make simple passes. 

He was realy good in both spurs games, but I was not even close to impressed against City and Juve, he could be alot better, however again, his role was to protect the back. 

Fabinho is definately more attacking generaly, more allround, but in ligue 1, they exchange who goes forward and who stays back, because both have advantages. Fabinho is better passer, Bakayoko is better dribbler. Generaly speaking, Bakayoko was brilliant in ligue 1, very powerful player. 

Simply said, he is better version of Matic, more mobile, better dribbler and quicker. Great at getting the ball back.

His weakness is however first touch and passing, specificaly against better teams like in CL. I cant say he is much better than Matic. He can be very frustrating in this part of game. But again, against spurs he was great both legs. 

That said, he can improve alot, in his best version he is very similar to Yaya and if he gets more consistent, we will have hell of a player.

Tolisso is alot more techical and still quite strong, making him ideal player, but that would mean Kante always playing DM with Tolisso going up. Bakayoko offers alot more versatility and gives Kante freedom to be B2B. 

Lovely analysis, thanks mate.

 

I want to catch a few games of his, maybe 3. 

 

Which games would you recommend to watch to know exactly what type of a player he is, if there are any games you think where his real talent came out. Have already seen the 2nd leg of the Dortmund game and he didn't have a lot to do in that one. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

25 minutes ago, AK-3001 said:

Lovely analysis, thanks mate.

 

I want to catch a few games of his, maybe 3. 

 

Which games would you recommend to watch to know exactly what type of a player he is, if there are any games you think where his real talent came out. Have already seen the 2nd leg of the Dortmund game and he didn't have a lot to do in that one. 

Certainly both games against Spurs, it will give nice overall of how he played against good, well known opposition that we play in league, therefore some simple conclusions can be made. 

Then in ligue 1, against better teams, see  home games vs Psg and Marseille (but marseille was crap that game tho) 

[Mufassir08 2,400]

2 hours ago, Rekin said:

Based on what? How in the world are you better positioned to identify those as better partners for Kante? I mean this is ridiculous, you cant just throw names around like that without going into detail about how they would make better partners. Is the fact that they can pass better automatically make them a better fit? Paredes has not proven much yet, Savic is not a great passer, Keita might not be available while Seri and Bonaventura have similar weaknesses to Fabregas.

A lot of people like to say that Fabinho is twice the player that Baka is. If that is the case, why do you think that Conte is so determined to get Baka? Do you think that he is actively looking to buy underwhelming players? Do you think that is the reason we have been rumored to get Baka for half a year or more? We are about to throw a huge amount of money on Lukaku, so clearly the money is there, and yet it is Baka that we want. 
Could it be that Conte has a vision for how he wants Chelsea to play, and that Baka is the best choice for that vision? Have some faith in our couch. 

Errr because I've seen them and Bakayoko play? All  of the players I've mentioned have not only got better passing but also better control, better technique, and greater awareness of their surroundings while most are even better dribblers. Defensively, Baka is no doubt better than all of them but we already got Kante for that and it's not like they are Pirlo defensively. Most of the big teams have dominated us and made us look ordinary, Why? Because we don't have midfielder who could knit play together or could receive passes from his team-mates under pressure. Is Baka going to change that? the Baka I saw for Monaco certainly is not going to change that. Do you honestly think we could dominate a technically adequate midfield with Baka and Kante? I've got my doubts about it. Btw Bona are Seri are no Kante defensively but they can no doubt hold their own.

Why is Conte so desperate to get Baka instead of Fabinho? Well, you'll have to call Antonio and ask him that but ask any Monaco fan or a french league fan and they'll tell you who is better between Fabinho and Baka. Lastly, I do have absolute faith in our coach and once Baka puts on that Blue jersey, he'll have my 110% support obviously and I've already said that I would gladly eat humble pie if Baka proves me wrong but until then, I can't help but feel that we could've done better than Baka.

 

[AK-3001 286]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Certainly both games against Spurs, it will give nice overall of how he played against good, well known opposition that we play in league, therefore some simple conclusions can be made. 

Then in ligue 1, against better teams, see  home games vs Psg and Marseille (but marseille was crap that game tho) 

Cheers. I definitely will be watching the Spurs game, I have followed their games a lot this season, as much as I hate them, their game play was absolutely lovely to the eyes. 

 

I have also picked out the away game against Marseille. Just curious to see how he performs in the away games, where I think the midfielders can win you the game if they have a great day. 

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

In CL he had quite restricted role more or less, limiting him. He was ordered to sit back and protect the line, make simple passes. 

He was realy good in both spurs games, but I was not even close to impressed against City and Juve, he could be alot better, however again, his role was to protect the back. 

Fabinho is definately more attacking generaly, more allround, but in ligue 1, they exchange who goes forward and who stays back, because both have advantages. Fabinho is better passer, Bakayoko is better dribbler. Generaly speaking, Bakayoko was brilliant in ligue 1, very powerful player. 

Simply said, he is better version of Matic, more mobile, better dribbler and quicker. Great at getting the ball back.

His weakness is however first touch and passing, specificaly against better teams like in CL. I cant say he is much better than Matic. He can be very frustrating in this part of game. But again, against spurs he was great both legs. 

That said, he can improve alot, in his best version he is very similar to Yaya and if he gets more consistent, we will have hell of a player.

Tolisso is alot more techical and still quite strong, making him ideal player, but that would mean Kante always playing DM with Tolisso going up. Bakayoko offers alot more versatility and gives Kante freedom to be B2B. 

A lot of time for this sort of post. Actual insight of a game/player based off of watching a game instead of playing too much championship manager and thinking your a top manager.  Good break down, thanks 

[Clockwork 1,794]

7 hours ago, ulsterchelsea said:

A lot of moaning as usual before the player even kicks a ball. He'll be shit (according to the oracles on here) presumably like costa was going to be after the world cup, like alonso last season because he played for Sunderland Etc! Wish we could go and spunk 100 odd million on a global social network superstar like pogba! That would put us in the big time...

I get a kick out of this. You are accusing others of moaning, and here you are doing the actual moaning instead of staying on topic. Sharing your thoughts on a potential signing is the aim of this subsection, if it wasn't then we might as all log off and shut down the forum. I do not understand the constant thought policing some of you do. Some of us do not rate Bakayoko highly, and we disagree. It is not that big of a deal, either attack the actual argument or move on.

Also no one here is a professional scout, we get that. If they are the only ones allowed to post, then again we might as well shut down the forum. Such ad hominem attacks shows lack of intelligence.

Also do not think anyone said Bakayoko is shit, just not Chelsea level or not the type of player we need.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

I get a kick out of this. You are accusing others of moaning, and here you are doing the actual moaning instead of staying on topic. Sharing your thoughts on a potential signing is the aim of this subsection, if it wasn't then we might as all log off and shut down the forum. I do not understand the constant thought policing some of you do. Some of us do not rate Bakayoko highly, and we disagree. It is not that big of a deal, either attack the actual argument or move on.

Also no one here is a professional scout, we get that. If they are the only ones allowed to post, then again we might as well shut down the forum. Such ad hominem attacks shows lack of intelligence.

Also do not think anyone said Bakayoko is shit, just not Chelsea level or not the type of player we need.

Glad you enjoyed the post 😘

[Clockwork 1,794]

7 hours ago, Rekin said:

What if Conte doesnt give a shit about how poor Baka's playmaking abilities are? I feel like people have this idea of a hybrid between Fabregas and Kante they want to see, but how do we know that it is what Conte wants? We are not going to be Barcelona with neat passes pinging around in the middle, we are a team that is extremely efficient in counter-attacking. Bakayoko is good at breaking up the attack of the other team, and skilled enough to quickly ID a more attacking player to pass to. Is it not enough that he is really good at a few things, rather than above average in many? It is more important that we find a player fitting our playstyle, rather than a player we find more pleasing visually. 

Besides, please remember his age. How many midfielders do you look at and say "wow, this dude was never better than he was at 22?". He has a solid foundation, and now we can build on it. Just imagine if he and Lukaku have another dimension to their play, and they find it here? We will have two amazing players with many years on the top remaining.

Regarding Tolisso it would of course have been great to get him. However, it is possible that the player simply preferred Bayern. Not getting a player does not equal the board doing nothing and letting him slip. We need to be more level-headed about this. 

You simply cannot be one dimensional, you cannot believe you can just be an efficient counter attacking team and that is all you need. Which top team exactly is that?

Great teams are deadly on the counter and also have the players that can string neat passes and break you down.

 

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[the wes 7,212]

The Bakayoko  haters won't  like this Bakayoko made CL squad of the season

 

[mccg 1,528]

Looks like this is going to happen

[YorkshireBlue 3,265]

5 hours ago, the wes said:

The Bakayoko  haters won't  like this Bakayoko made CL squad of the season

 

Come on now Wes lol you gotta remember baka is turd as we keep hearing but...... pretty sure any one eles on that cl team of the year midfield they would have wet pants 

[the wes 7,212]

5 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Come on now Wes lol you gotta remember baka is turd as we keep hearing but...... pretty sure any one eles on that cl team of the year midfield they would have wet pants 

Under conte influence and conte being ex midfielder who knows the midfield role well I think babayko could turn out to be a very good player 

[YorkshireBlue 3,265]

48 minutes ago, the wes said:

Under conte influence and conte being ex midfielder who knows the midfield role well I think babayko could turn out to be a very good player 

Totally agree I hope he does as well just hope he starts off well otherwise poor lad will be destroyed on here haha