🇫🇷 N'Golo Kante

[Vesper 30,181]

19 hours ago, Robguima said:

thanks for sharing and it is an interesting problem in the current system.

On the other hand, I think it is literally Sarri's job to find the better system and formation for the player he has, not the other way around. I do not believe Kante can be as effective in attack as he is defending. It's simply not in his toolbox.

Sarri will not change, it was a problem in Napoli as well.

We either get him the players for Sarriball or he will be sacked.

We will not get him the players, especially if we get a 2 year transfer ban and Eden walks.

So, he will probably be sacked. If the bans hit and Eden goes in the summer, I predict October 2019.

Worst case scenario: we do not buy shit in January, and implode in the new year, I then predict an April or May Sarri sack. Roman is a scapegoater (unfortunately not with the cunt Marina) with a hair trigger pull.

Its a good thing we have mostly weak teams we face until early mid January.

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Sarri will not change, it was a problem in Napoli as well.

We either get him the players for Sarriball or he will be sacked.

We will not get him the players, especially if we get a 2 year transfer ban and Eden walks.

So, he will probably be sacked. If the bans hit and Eden goes in the summer, I predict October 2019.

Worst case scenario: we do not buy shit in January, and implode in the new year, I then predict an April or May Sarri sack. Roman is a scapegoater (unfortunately not with the cunt Marina) with a hair trigger pull.

Its a good thing we have mostly weak teams we face until early mid January.

heh Marina works under Roman and does his bidding. Can't imagine her with that much leverage considering how Roman runs the club.

All managers get sacked in a season or two.

Don't think Eden leaving will have that much impact to be honest (too inconsistent for me esp in CL), and think the club will be fine either way. Yes, unless we add some quality we won't compete in the PL, but with hazard we do NOT compete in CL anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Robguima said:

 

Don't think Eden leaving will have that much impact to be honest (too inconsistent for me esp in CL), and think the club will be fine either way. 

that is madness, plus, if we DO get the 4 window, 2 year ban, and add no one in January, we are fucked, far from fine. Eden leaves, CHO probably too, and we are stuck for 2 whole years with a old and somewhat broken team.

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that is madness, plus, if we DO get the 4 window, 2 year ban, and add no one in January, we are fucked, far from fine. Eden leaves, CHO probably too, and we are stuck for 2 whole years with a old and somewhat broken team.

well to be fair, a 2-window ban would fuck up any club... 

[coolhead23 1,147]

17 hours ago, Special Juan said:

The unbeaten run masked a few problems in the team, the Kante position was one of them.

If we are to continue playing him and Jorginho then we need a slight tweak of formation/tactics.

Sarri will have to play Kante along side Jorginho and in a withdrawn role else dont play him because he doesnt bring value if played in an advanced role. Also Jorginho needs to start pushing more up, i know it isnt the way Sarri wants but we need to get the best out of the 2. 

Seeing Barley in a good run, he should have moved for 

        Barley

Jorginho - Kante

I hope we dont end up doing what Jose is doing at United!!! 

Sarri has to find a way to get the best out of the team by playing to their strengths. 

[El P. 1,354]

Shots fired.

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10 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Sarri will have to play Kante along side Jorginho and in a withdrawn role else dont play him because he doesnt bring value if played in an advanced role. Also Jorginho needs to start pushing more up, i know it isnt the way Sarri wants but we need to get the best out of the 2. 

Seeing Barley in a good run, he should have moved for 

        Barley

Jorginho - Kante

I hope we dont end up doing what Jose is doing at United!!! 

Sarri has to find a way to get the best out of the team by playing to their strengths. 

Seeing Barley in a good run lol ,wait to see ,what Wheat can do when ready and i can't wait to unleash Bamboo

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N'Golo Kante is a class above Jorginho and wasted by Chelsea, says Alan Shearer

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ngolo-kante-class-above-jorginho-13646099

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N'Golo Kante and Jorginho the answer for Chelsea, says Danny Higginbotham

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11566729/kante-jorginho-together-could-work

Makes sense to me , nice 1 Mr Bottom , hope Sarri takes note

[Vesper 30,181]

24 minutes ago, mccg said:

N'Golo Kante and Jorginho the answer for Chelsea, says Danny Higginbotham

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11566729/kante-jorginho-together-could-work

Makes sense to me , nice 1 Mr Bottom , hope Sarri takes note

So he is saying a 4 2 1 3? Sarri wont do it. At least he has always refused to do it. Barkley would truly have to be a beast then too. Obviously Isco or Kai Havertz or another truly WC AMF would make it far more potent.

[whats happening 1,615]

it kinda sucks that our manager is not flexible at all. no plan b

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 minutes ago, whats happening said:

it kinda sucks that our manager is not flexible at all. no plan b

 Not going to lie, posts like this are slightly embarrassing. People wanted a change in style from Conte. We got one with Sarri. It's not perfect but if he wants to build a team in his image he needs to do it, no point half arsing it. Did Pep have a plan B? Did Klopp? No they play there way and that's it. Conte had a plan B, lump it long to Giroud/Morata but apparently that was outdated and we should be playing attacking football, now we have a manager who's trying to do that and now he's not flexible enough.. some of you guys never cease to amaze me. It's a process. Takes time. Few players need replaced. Give the guy a chance. Swear some folk just cause a stir because they've fuck all else to do.

 

[whats happening 1,615]

idk if you are serious or not but pep uses different lineups and formations every few games, especially last season and the season before. klopp has changed his style this season from the tactics he had last season. it's pretty obvious.

 

[DYC. 7,542]

Kante will never shine in a possession-based team. Leicester and pre-Sarri Chelsea played a completely different game. Same with France.

I do think he will get better though. This is a significant change for him and he hasn't been terrible. He'll be better next season.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 Not going to lie, posts like this are slightly embarrassing. People wanted a change in style from Conte. We got one with Sarri. It's not perfect but if he wants to build a team in his image he needs to do it, no point half arsing it. Did Pep have a plan B? Did Klopp? No they play there way and that's it. Conte had a plan B, lump it long to Giroud/Morata but apparently that was outdated and we should be playing attacking football, now we have a manager who's trying to do that and now he's not flexible enough.. some of you guys never cease to amaze me. It's a process. Takes time. Few players need replaced. Give the guy a chance. Swear some folk just cause a stir because they've fuck all else to do.

 

Luiz and Willian cannot be in plan A, B, C, D,....  they are breathtakingly shit

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, whats happening said:

idk if you are serious or not but pep uses different lineups and formations every few games, especially last season and the season before. klopp has changed his style this season from the tactics he had last season. it's pretty obvious.

 

But the way of playing is the same, 433, 4141, 352, 4231, the way of playing doesn't change, there's no compromise in his principles (since Barcelona he has been stubborn with this possession based philosophy, insistent that his teams will play any other way). Same with Jurgen Klopp who's teams have always played a high intensity high pressure football where they press and are so fast in transitions (originates from his time at Mainz). The formation doesnt mean anything in particular because its the style thats important. They don't change their philosophy because they believe that is the right way for their teams to play. 

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12 hours ago, whats happening said:

it kinda sucks that our manager is not flexible at all. no plan b

Yeah its happened to other managers here too ...and we all know how that pans out ! Lets hope either we bring in suitable improvements or the ex banker becomes more flexible to reap the rewards!

[jernej93 569]

We expect too much because of our results in last two months... These are still our first few months of attacking/possession football after years of defending and counter attacking. Guardiola hardly managed to reach TOP 4 in his first season with City and with probably better team than ours. We played a great game against Liverpool and Arsenal, had a great run without defeat and after first loss there is already panic among our fans... Calm the f*ck down please! 

Sarri has a philosophy, it is the right thing to stick with it! You can't learn attacking football in three months, we will need more than that, maybe even more than one season and few new players (right ones).

Kante is a great player but I am afraid that he is a great player in certain system. System that was played under Ranieri, Conte and in system that is played in France - counter attacking. His passing under pressure is not good, so we would suffer with him as defensive midfielder if we want to play the ball out of the defence. 

[El P. 1,354]

Lol, like changing to 4-2-3-1 would magically make Kante world beater.

People are acting like Kante is second coming of Frank Rijkaard. Being it in 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 Kante is just not so important anymore to us. Even in 4-2-3-1 Kante would hold his side (right), and Jorginho his side (left). Only thing that was different before was that Kante had Matić or Drinkwater by his side, and they held their field sides decently... Jorginho can't do that, and there would STILL be defensive lapses. Not to mention that in Contes era Kante had 3 defenders behind him.

In this setup/style Kante can't do it all, like most of you want... you can use whichever formation you want. Kante is everywhere, you say? It's much easier to be "everywhere" when you have so many defensive players in your team who could help you out and cover some ground. Stop f**king overrating him that much, he IS NOT our problem.

I am baffled that people are still talking about Kante, when it's clear that our main problems are out-of-form Kovačić and shit RW and CF, of course with average LB and LCB.

Gone are the days when we would win 1-0 on our bad days. Now it should be 3-2, with this setup.

[mccg 1,528]

N'Golo Kante midfield role leaves Chelsea exposed, says Steve Sidwell

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11574007/ngolo-kante-midfield-role-leaves-chelsea-exposed-says-steve-sidwell

yip agree Stevey Sidwell ,just hope Sarri agrees sooner rather than later