The Big Drog 1,110 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Like Martin Samuel wrote yesterday, punishing someone before they are actually proven guilty, how blood stupid is that? I wonder if it becomes a trend, maybe over in America they can put a man to death who is charged of murder before he even has a trial, how much easier would that be for all of us? If I were Terry I would say "right, F*** your team and f*** your Euro's, Im never playing for England again." Luckily for England Im not John Terry and luckily for England John Terry has far more humility and love for his country than I do, so chances are he will continue to play, despite how dreadfully he has been treated by the FA, but the FA and England don't deserve him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Look I know everyone on here is a Chelsea fan. But let's face facts. He said it. He doesn't deserve to be England captain. I am massive fan of John Terry but I can fully see why everyone thinks he's a c*nt.He will be found guilty. Scenario over. Suarez gets an 8 game ban, Terry allowed to finish the season and Euro's? I agree Rio missed a drugs test, but he served his ban and didn't play at all. Suarez served his ban too. I am Chelsea til I die, but this is undefendable. He racially abused someone. How can anyone possibly see otherwise or defend it. and I agree he should retire cause he will get booed by all the england fans. This pretty much is the FA's way of saying "you're guilty"No, you don't get it. We're (or at least I'm) not saying all this "fuck the FA" stuff because he was stripped of the captaincy. It's because they did it without a verdict actually being given to him. They are free to do it if and when he is proven guilty and I won't blame them at all. But it is wrong for them to do it now imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igi26 346 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatures/2012/john-terry-statement-030212.aspxIt's official Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://www.thefa.com...ent-030212.aspxIt's officialThat won't sate the blood hungry hyenas in the press. Or the publicity seeking black players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 No, you don't get it. We're (or at least I'm) not saying all this "fuck the FA" stuff because he was stripped of the captaincy. It's because they did it without a verdict actually being given to him. They are free to do it if and when he is proven guilty and I won't blame them at all. But it is wrong for them to do it now imoYeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact.I didn't realise you were a qualified lip-reader, can I have your contact details because there are so many situations in my everyday life where I think "man Id love a certified lipreader, I am just a novice lipreader..."Innocent until proven guilty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 This is so fucking ridocolous whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait this is a Chelsea player we're talking about time for FA to use their double standards again. FA have really fucked this one up big time. All I can say is Anton Fucking Ferdinand got what he wanted. I really hope JT gets proven innocent, I'd like to see the FA answer that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yeah IYO, IMO watch the TV and get back to me. I don't need to repeat it. It's there for all to see. Regardless of the verdict he said those words. Fact.And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed?According to the FA, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 And so you miss the point entirely once again. John Terry doesn't deny saying what he said, it's the context that it was used. He claims that he was accused of saying "Fucking black cunt" and when he heard it, he repeated it as in, "Are you saying I called you a fucking black cunt?" or words to hat extent. Yes, there is videos of him saying that, but it's all contextual. Somebody could film me right now saying, "It's deplorable to use the term 'black cunt'" then cut the video so it only shows me saying "black cunt". Then what? am I automatically a racist without my case being reviewed?While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 He's not fit to be Chelsea captain either . I'm glad he's lost the armband, Terry is a scumbag and the FA have got this spot on. They should of done it sooner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I didn't realise you were a qualified lip-reader, can I have your contact details because there are so many situations in my everyday life where I think "man Id love a certified lipreader, I am just a novice lipreader..."Innocent until proven guilty?Don't really get your post? As mentioned Terry admitted to saying it unless you believe something else? So i don't need to be a qualified lip reader. Quite welcome to send me a vid and I will try my hardest though pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped.As Kyle said though, context is everything. If you can't prove that what he is saying isn't in the context that Anton Ferdinand says it is in then he should be proven innocent, because, the saying goes, innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Anyway, the other main point is that the FA should have waited for the court to reach a verdict before punishing someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Cappello will also give in to the media pressures and not include John in the Euro squad, the way i see it. So he might as well save his dignity and tell the FA to f*ck off now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullabletype 987 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 While I get everyone jumping on my dick here. I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. All my point is, even after that he says fucking nob head or something such...It doesn't look good any which way you see it and yes the video may have panned on him at the right time, but how are you ever meant to prove anything apart from he said it in that way when the video everyone see's shows him saying it? nothing before and nothign after. I just can't see how he can get out of that situation. Thats why I think based on that he's been stripped.Person 1 - It's deplorable to use the term "black cunt"Person 2 - Did you just call him a black cunt?Person 1 - Are you accusing me of calling him a black cunt? Fucking nob head!So I mean, there you go. There's an example where that could happen. I'd be pretty miffed if somebody accused me of saying something like that if I didn't. (of course he may well have said it, we'll know soon enough).But the point is this, a court isn't going to sit round, watch the video then make a verdict. They're going to see the video, probably have witnesses and character references. There's a lot more to go on than that video, which may or may not be conveniently timed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Don't really get your post? As mentioned Terry admitted to saying it unless you believe something else? So i don't need to be a qualified lip reader. Quite welcome to send me a vid and I will try my hardest though palAs I said above, if you can prove that what he is saying is in the context that Anton Ferdinand says it is in, then great. If, on the otherhand, you can lipread Terry saying "I didn't call you...." then the context of what Terry has said is very different and there is no need for a courtcase or him being stripped of the England captaincy. However until somebody conclusively proves the context then nobody can make a decision until the court reaches a verdict, which is why the FA punishment is ridiculous.But yes, thank you, if there is ever an occasion where I feel a lipreader would come in handy, you will be at the top of my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 There's only one England captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 As Kyle said though, context is everything. If you can't prove that what he is saying isn't in the context that Anton Ferdinand says it is in then he should be proven innocent, because, the saying goes, innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Anyway, the other main point is that the FA should have waited for the court to reach a verdict before punishing someone.Yeah thats in an ideal world where JT isn't already hated. Never gonna be the case. Why he would utter those words in any circumstance is beyond me, this situation should never have been. If Gerrard said to Ashley Cole the same thing in the same would you be calling for him to be stood down? I think alot of people would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Continue debating all you want, it's reality now. In July we'll see if he's guilty or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Continue debating all you want, it's reality now. In July we'll see if he's guilty or notThat is the point ,,,YOU like the Media have found him guilty already. They have an agenda ,,whats your excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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