Ola Aina

[chelseafan26 293]

5 hours ago, the wes said:

We lose Domingos Quina to west ham the other day

Another one who is intelligent enough to not waste his talent.

[chelseafan26 293]

6 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Well...

Each case is individual though. But I can understand players that prefers to stay at Chelsea. At least club cares about them and trying to make best out of them. Not every super-talanted youngster able to make it at top level. If Ola leaves and become a starter at a top-club in a few years - fair play to him. I would be happy for him, as he's clearly talanted lad, but chances that he'll make it at other top-club are not much higher than at Chelsea.

Fair enough, may be Nouble was not a good example. What about someone like bertrand. Loaned here, loaned there. One season at a club and he got into the PFA team of the year, last year, IIRC. Why is that? Is it because the youngsters need time and confidence? Ofcourse they do. 

I have to massively disagree with Aina's chances to succeed at chelsea being equal at any other big club. Thats simply wrong. Barcelona gave fair chances to the likes of tello, sandro, haddidi, bojan, affelay. These players did not just get a useless minute when we were leading 5-0 at home to a relegation. They have got proper auditions. Thats why for every tello, their is a thiago, for every affelay their is a rafinha, a sergi roberto. The chance of a "youth player" succeeding at a big club is literally exponential at clubs like Barca, Bayern, ATM, arsenal, spurs, pool, because they actually care about their youth products and give them a chance, 

For us, the youth system is a useless entity. We cant boast of one single youth product JT. what an absolute shame. Even RM can boast of generating Jese and Morata. Who can we? 

[scargo 75]

Our kids are so greedy.

[Special Juan 28,124]

Spoke to him last night, by the way he was quality last night against Boro.

[lucio 5,418]

9 hours ago, the wes said:

Celtic would be a step down for him the Scottish league is so poor nowadays

doing well at celtic attracts attention though, if they get into the CL, like wanyama, van dijk

[LondonsFinest 692]

Would someone explain to me the hype around this kid. Never seen anything special from him, except speed.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

I don't get why people say that we waste talents. Di Santo, Sinclair, Sahar, Kakuta, McEachren, Stoch.. No academy player proved that we made a mistake by selling them. I think if they were talented enough they could have shown they quality on loan or at other teams. Lukaku and Christensen could instantly play great in the highest level.

[Yeboii 1,844]

19 hours ago, the wes said:

We lose Domingos Quina to west ham the other day

What a shame. We gave him a better life and everything for him to leave us because "he might have a better shot at the first XI" at West Ham.. WHEN HE IS STILL 16!!!

[the wes 7,212]

19 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

What a shame. We gave him a better life and everything for him to leave us because "he might have a better shot at the first XI" at West Ham.. WHEN HE IS STILL 16!!!

Footballers nowadays are ungrateful fuckers

[Styles 9,790]

11 hours ago, scargo said:

Our kids are so greedy.

Not really.

If you're not going to pay, at least got paid.

[Tomo 21,751]

22 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Those guys failed to make it because they are not good enough. That is the long and the short of it. What's more that was clear from the off.

Gael, for example, has wonderful touch and dribbling skills but that, in itself, is not enough. I wrote him off as a Chelsea player less than twenty minutes after kick-off of the first under 18s game I ever saw him play. (Vs Cardiff at Stamford bridge.)

When Jose made his ill-advised attempt to bolster Nate's confidence by pretty much promising the lad a place in the squad after one more spell on loan, I predicted that TSO would never be able to make good on that promise. That was because Nate simply is not good enough to earn that place and I knew it because I had seen him play for the 18s & 21s then watched him play for Watford.

It's easy for people to get carried away by young players but just hoping they are better than they are is not going to help. Unless the help being sought is a made up excuse to bash Chelsea and Chelsea people.

 

15 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

Fair enough, may be Nouble was not a good example. What about someone like bertrand. Loaned here, loaned there. One season at a club and he got into the PFA team of the year, last year, IIRC. Why is that? Is it because the youngsters need time and confidence? Ofcourse they do. 

I have to massively disagree with Aina's chances to succeed at chelsea being equal at any other big club. Thats simply wrong. Barcelona gave fair chances to the likes of tello, sandro, haddidi, bojan, affelay. These players did not just get a useless minute when we were leading 5-0 at home to a relegation. They have got proper auditions. Thats why for every tello, their is a thiago, for every affelay their is a rafinha, a sergi roberto. The chance of a "youth player" succeeding at a big club is literally exponential at clubs like Barca, Bayern, ATM, arsenal, spurs, pool, because they actually care about their youth products and give them a chance, 

For us, the youth system is a useless entity. We cant boast of one single youth product JT. what an absolute shame. Even RM can boast of generating Jese and Morata. Who can we? 

I remember back in 2010, when we won the first of many youth cups, the investment made by Roman into the academy was reaping it's first reward, and that mixed with the fact we were ditching experience and replacing them with young player's, led to multiple articles of "what would our team look like in 2016" ie now, guess which type of players featured in those fantasy future teams? Delac, Billy and Conor Clifford, Bruma, Van Aanholt, Deen Conteh, Mancienne, Stoch, McEachran, Kakuta, could you imagine if we went into this season with that band as our key players? Well the nicest way I can put it is two of Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich would be staying up this season instead of just the one.

Honestly, and this is for @chelseafan26 and every one else who slates the club every time there's a rumour of an under 22 leaving, how many of those players that I mentioned above did you also believe deserved more chances in the first team?

Also just something is also like to add, Terry wasn't the last youth player to break through, Bertrand was, just because he was sold in the end doesn't change that, he was a fill time member of the first team squad for three years playing about 70 games and won three major trophies, that's breaking through in my book.

Also, Afferly already had numerous first team games for PSV before Barca got him, if you are going to praise Barca for him, you should praise us for Mikel and Zouma for the sake of consistency.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

57 minutes ago, Tomo said:

guess which type of players featured in those fantasy future teams? Delac, Billy and Conor Clifford, Bruma, Van Aanholt, Deen Conteh, Mancienne, Stoch, McEachran, Kakuta, could you imagine if we went into this season with that band as our key players? Well the nicest way I can put it is two of Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich would be staying up this season instead of just the one.

No they wouldn't. One of MK Dons or Charlton would be.

[chelseafan26 293]

8 hours ago, Tomo said:

 

I remember back in 2010, when we won the first of many youth cups, the investment made by Roman into the academy was reaping it's first reward, and that mixed with the fact we were ditching experience and replacing them with young player's, led to multiple articles of "what would our team look like in 2016" ie now, guess which type of players featured in those fantasy future teams? Delac, Billy and Conor Clifford, Bruma, Van Aanholt, Deen Conteh, Mancienne, Stoch, McEachran, Kakuta, could you imagine if we went into this season with that band as our key players? Well the nicest way I can put it is two of Newcastle, Sunderland and Norwich would be staying up this season instead of just the one.

Honestly, and this is for @chelseafan26 and every one else who slates the club every time there's a rumour of an under 22 leaving, how many of those players that I mentioned above did you also believe deserved more chances in the first team?

Also just something is also like to add, Terry wasn't the last youth player to break through, Bertrand was, just because he was sold in the end doesn't change that, he was a fill time member of the first team squad for three years playing about 70 games and won three major trophies, that's breaking through in my book.

Also, Afferly already had numerous first team games for PSV before Barca got him, if you are going to praise Barca for him, you should praise us for Mikel and Zouma for the sake of consistency.

Without a doubt I would say Bruma, Kakuta and Josh. How can you say that we would be relegated if we had these 3. We destroyed their careers. Kakuta was one of the best talents in the world and we kept loaning him out to one club or another. Obviously the kid was going to get screwed. We have no clue about youth development. Just look at the way we dealt with Bruma. His performance for us was horrendous that day and I admit it. But by god, thats what youth players do. Look at bellerin's performance against stoke when they conceded 4 or more goals last season (or maybe this one). Did Wenger drop bellerin? NO. He trusted the guy and look at him now. One of the best right backs in the league. Youth need trust and time. We give nothing to them.

Our handling of Josh was another masterpiece. Here is a 17 year old kid who has the touch of world class player as well the vision. What do we do? We make him a millionaire and start the merry go round. Even after his swansea disaster, we should have kept him, made him understand the importance of improving and training rather than partying with that Girl friend of his. We should have let the likes of JT, DD, Cech mentor him. 

These were really good talents and we have wasted each of them. To say that they would have panned out similarly is downright Naive and silly. It does take one to be a rocket scientist to understand why we cant produce one, single youth product while the likes of ATM, Barca, Bayern, arsenal so many good ones.

as for bertrand. Was he a youth player? Bought from gillinham at the age of 16, then loaned to bournemoth, oldham, norwich, reading, Forest before breaking into the first team squad in 2011. Well, you can call him a "youth player", I dont think his development and success had anything to do with our academy. JT might have been bought from WHU at 15, but he broke through the youth ranks. I am not sure if i am able to explain my point of view perfectly. But by youth i mean who has been trained at the club for some year atleast and we help that player in his development, just like we did with JT. Or barcelona has for the likes of bartra, sandro ramirez, busquets, Iniesta, sergie roberto, rafinha alcantara, el haddidi and messi. And thats the reason why they are the best team in the world.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

On 25.04.2016 at 11:49 PM, OhForAGreavsie said:

Those guys failed to make it because they are not good enough. That is the long and the short of it. What's more that was clear from the off.

Gael, for example, has wonderful touch and dribbling skills but that, in itself, is not enough. I wrote him off as a Chelsea player less than twenty minutes after kick-off of the first under 18s game I ever saw him play. (Vs Cardiff at Stamford bridge.)

When Jose made his ill-advised attempt to bolster Nate's confidence by pretty much promising the lad a place in the squad after one more spell on loan, I predicted that TSO would never be able to make good on that promise. That was because Nate simply is not good enough to earn that place and I knew it because I had seen him play for the 18s & 21s then watched him play for Watford.

It's easy for people to get carried away by young players but just hoping they are better than they are is not going to help. Unless the help being sought is a made up excuse to bash Chelsea and Chelsea people.

Edit: Correction, it was Scott Sinclair I wrote off after 20 minutes of that Cardiff game. The first game I saw Kakuta in was vs Man City u18s. Same 20 minutes though.

So Chelsea got transfer ban, PR disaster and potential other troubles for a youngster that you wrote off after 20 minutes ? Please behave with this "I told you so" moment.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

4 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

So Chelsea got transfer ban, PR disaster and potential other troubles for a youngster that you wrote off after 20 minutes ? Please behave with this "I told you so" moment.

There was, ultimately, no ban although the suspicion persists that we bought our way out of it.

My behaviour is fine and yes I did, correctly, write Kakuta off after 20 minutes. Anyone who had watched Gael dispassionately, rather than with this determined to be pleased attitude many display toward young/new players, would have done so too. Many are still displaying the same attitude toward our current crop of development players. Gael is not the only one I picked out then either: -

There was a lad playing his last match, a lad who was deciding between offers from both Old Firm clubs. I have forgotten his name as I type but if I search out the post in question I'll be reminded of it. I predicted that he would not make it at either of those clubs. He went to Rangers and flopped.

Players I picked out that I liked from that youth team were Hutchison, Bertrand, Cork and the one I liked most of all, Bridcutt. Of those we know what happened to Hutch, Liam seems to have settled at Championship level, while the other two have latched on at Premier league clubs.

If you'd like a more comprehensive list of I told you so's, including Torres, you need only ask.

Edit: The lad who moved to Rangers is Dean Furman.