Radamel Falcao

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Match winner is the most glaring of all and truly there aren't that many out there that are available. Goals win games not Modric.... Look at Utd, they had Rooney, Chica, Welbeck, Berba and they still ignored their concerns in the midfield and grabbed one of the worlds best strikers.

Doesnt mean we need to ignore it as well. Utd isnt near as good as other teams in the world, and the reason is that they ignored those issues. You should all stop with this "Look at Utd" talk, main goal is to win the league (and they havent won it yet btw, and imo they wont but never mind), but we should build a much better team than Utd's team if we want to be a real force in Europe.

The reason United could have ignore their big issues in midfield is that in England the midfield is much less important than in Spain for example. most teams in England cant hurt United's weakness in the midfield because they have an even more rubbish midfield, so Fergouson got RVP- another match decider. In this move+when he havent bought better midfield, Fergouson must knew United wont improve too much when they play in the Europe against teams that could hurt them. Look at what Bilbao did to United last season- they ripped them with their tactics, pressure game and midfield. right now the EPL, imo at least, is weaker than La Liga in most parts. Tactics there are better and up to date, most teams there (and some in Germany) play football that most English teams cant handle imo, so my question is - why not play similar to them? we know how English teams arent comfortable with this football (also look at City in the CL against Dortmund, Real, Bayern. They btw have a good squad but awful manager), we should go for this kind of football, not go for the "United's way"- buy strikers and ignore our mifdield problems. Yeah we should buy a striker, maybe even two, but we need more than that. This way we will succeed in England, and will compete against the best teams in the world (which they arent the English teams those days).

[Sheva. 5,373]

It's funny. This is the same kind of optimism people were having when we were linked with Torres. "Top, top striker" "Him and Drogba together? OMG" "He will score a hat-trick in his first game" blah blah blah. Now in hindsight, these same people would say he was off form when we signed him - when actually he was looking very good under Dalglish, he was on a run like he is on now, 5 in 4 or something like that. He also had a goal unfairly ruled out for offside.

This is why i'm worried about Falcao, it doesn't matter how good he is atm, things do not always work out the same in a different team and a completely different league. Like i said before, Kaka was the best player in the world, went for Madrid for 60m and failed. Who saw it coming? no one. He was amazing at Milan, but things just didn't go his way in Spain.

If Falcao comes here i will pray every morning he does well, but it can also easily go bad. He's not superman, he has bad games like every player and misses chances also. He just had a run of 6 games without scoring from open play, and at the Copa America he scored 1 goal from open play against Bolivia.

[The only place to be 11,313]

We won't sign him because we can't afford to.

You don't know that. :banghead:

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Best striker in the world? Matter of opinion.

It's still A LOT of money on one player which makes it a massive risk.

Exactly what I'm saying. We won't sign him because we can't afford to. All the rumors are probably media bullshit, so don't get your hopes up.

You'd be hard pressed to name two out and out strikers that are better than Falcao, I would love to see you try.

Yes it is a lot of money but that's the price you pay for match winners, we need one! Look what Utd are giving Van P, PSG Ibra, Ronaldo? Messi? even Sanchez cost a lot! We need a match winner and I would be SHOCKED if with all this smoke we don't end up with Falcao... We're assuredly selling Sturridge which means another striker is coming in in January.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Teams like United and City go against teams like Villa and other mid to bottom table sides and say "we should smash them," while we go into a game like this weekend weary and hopeful that Torres will actually do something.

If we had Falcao we'd be burying teams like this.

Like others have said, teams like United, Madrid, and Barca don't have good defenses at all right ow but have world class strikers and goal scorers.

Omg you actually compared united to Real and Barca... read my post up there. Real and Barca have much better tactics and defend than United's.

[Rmpr 8,977]

It's funny. This is the same kind of optimism people were having when we were linked with Torres. "Top, top striker" "Him and Drogba together? OMG" "He will score a hat-trick in his first game" blah blah blah. Now in hindsight, these same people would say he was off form when we signed him - when actually he was looking very good under Dalglish, he was on a run like he is on now, 5 in 4 or something like that. He also had a goal unfairly ruled out for offside.

This is why i'm worried about Falcao, it doesn't matter how good he is atm, things do not always work out the same in a different team and a completely different league. Like i said before, Kaka was the best player in the world, went for Madrid for 60m and failed. Who saw it coming? no one. He was amazing at Milan, but things just didn't go his way in Spain.

If Falcao comes here i will pray every morning he does well, but it can also easily go bad. He's not superman, he has bad games like every player and misses chances also. He just had a run of 6 games without scoring from open play, and at the Copa America he scored 1 goal from open play against Bolivia.

Yeah, lets just give up and never ever buy another top player...

[Sheva. 5,373]

Yeah, lets just give up and never ever buy another top player...

It's not about buying top players. I was in support of buying Hazard for 32m, very young player, massive upside, no brainer.

[Pizy 18,415]

Omg you actually compared united to Real and Barca... read my post up there. Real and Barca have much better tactics and defend than United's.

I wasn't comparing them to each other, I'm saying that if you look at each of those individually, their defenses are the weakest parts of each of those teams. And it doesn't matter because their forwards are so good.

[Rmpr 8,977]

It's not about buying top players. I was in support of buying Hazard for 32m, very young player, massive upside, no brainer.

It is way more of a "brainer", he is young and we dont know how great he will be.

Falcao has probably an adaptation problem, but we already know how good he is. If we dont buy him and City or Real does, I dont want to see everyone who is bashing him now regeting his goals in the future.

We more than must buy this guy!

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Doesnt mean we need to ignore it as well. Utd isnt near as good as other teams in the world, and the reason is that they ignored those issues. You should all stop with this "Look at Utd" talk, main goal is to win the league (and they havent won it yet btw, and imo they wont but never mind), but we should build a much better team than Utd's team if we want to be a real force in Europe.

The reason United could have ignore their big issues in midfield is that in England the midfield is much less important than in Spain for example. most teams in England cant hurt United's weakness in the midfield because they have an even more rubbish midfield, so Fergouson got RVP- another match decider. In this move+when he havent bought better midfield, Fergouson must knew United wont improve too much when they play in the Europe against teams that could hurt them. Look at what Bilbao did to United last season- they ripped them with their tactics, pressure game and midfield. right now the EPL, imo at least, is weaker than La Liga in most parts. Tactics there are better and up to date, most teams there (and some in Germany) play football that most English teams cant handle imo, so my question is - why not play similar to them? we know how English teams arent comfortable with this football (also look at City in the CL against Dortmund, Real, Bayern. They btw have a good squad but awful manager), we should go for this kind of football, not go for the "United's way"- buy strikers and ignore our mifdield problems. Yeah we should buy a striker, maybe even two, but we need more than that. This way we will succeed in England, and will compete against the best teams in the world (which they arent the English teams those days).

Regardless, you can look at any formidable team in Europe and I guarantee you will find holes. What you won't find is a lack of finishers.

Edit: and don't mention Utd last year to formulate an argument this year. They have Van P now, they would merk Bilbao now.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Falcao has probably an adaptation problem, we already know how good he is. If we dont buy him and City or Real does, I dont want to see everyone who is bashing him now regeting his goals in the future.

1. You will never find me bashing him, i've been saying we should sign him since 2011. Before we went and wasted money on Lukaku.

2. If he goes wherever i won't be one of the people crying after every goal he scores, like some did with Aguero and will inevitably do with Sturridge.

3. If we sign him for that much money and he does well great, everyone's happy. If he doesn't i will say i told you so, though

[Hutcho 8,443]

It's funny. This is the same kind of optimism people were having when we were linked with Torres. "Top, top striker" "Him and Drogba together? OMG" "He will score a hat-trick in his first game" blah blah blah. Now in hindsight, these same people would say he was off form when we signed him - when actually he was looking very good under Dalglish, he was on a run like he is on now, 5 in 4 or something like that. He also had a goal unfairly ruled out for offside.

This is why i'm worried about Falcao, it doesn't matter how good he is atm, things do not always work out the same in a different team and a completely different league. Like i said before, Kaka was the best player in the world, went for Madrid for 60m and failed. Who saw it coming? no one. He was amazing at Milan, but things just didn't go his way in Spain.

If Falcao comes here i will pray every morning he does well, but it can also easily go bad. He's not superman, he has bad games like every player and misses chances also. He just had a run of 6 games without scoring from open play, and at the Copa America he scored 1 goal from open play against Bolivia.

Come on though, everyone was being optimistic linking torres lack of form due to him being unhappy... Must have heard "form is temporary class is permenant" about 1000 times. But it never happenned. Falcao is currently achieveing form torres never achieved even when he was at his best. Every player can flop but the signs are great. Mata, one of the best in the league, hazard, moses, oscar, lampards passing, ramires running in support etc, and his finishing, ability in the air all looks like a positive sign.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I wasn't comparing them to each other, I'm saying that if you look at each of those individually, their defenses are the weakest parts of each of those teams. And it doesn't matter because their forwards are so good.

But my point is there is a big difference between Barca and Real to United. United win games mostly because they have better attack than most oppositions in PL, Real and Barca (well Real arent that good all the time at this moment, but generaly they are) have a much better midfield, they control games, teams cant get comfortable against them, cant hold the ball too much because of their good pressure. Its a totally different level of football.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You don't know that. :banghead:

You do realize when I say stuff in a discussion about a debatable issue where the opinions are divided (i.e. there are no absolute facts), it makes them my opinion. It's like when I say for example "Sturridge is better than Torres", I would not be claiming that is a fact but merely stating my opinion. It is the same as saying "I think Sturridge is better than Torres" but the "I think" part is omitted to show my confidence in my opinion but it is still an unproven opinion.

You'd be hard pressed to name two out and out strikers that are better than Falcao, I would love to see you try.

It's just my opinion but I would rather have Cavani, Ibra or Van Persie in my team over Radamel. But this is neither the place nor the time for this debate.

[Hutcho 8,443]

It is way more of a "brainer", he is young and we dont know how great he will be.

Falcao has probably an adaptation problem, we already know how good he is. If we dont buy him and City or Real does, I dont want to see everyone who is bashing him now regeting his goals in the future.

I guarentee that if city bought him it will be the biggest regret we will have. No matter who we sign instead probably wounldnt come close.

Also, back on the money front. I can't name you 2 better finishers than falcao... Messi is one for sure, i think that is clear... Ronaldo... Not an out and out striker but still a great finisher, its close but those could be the only 2. Cavani, lewandowski, rvp, dzecko are all great finishers, but i don't think better than falcao. Neymar???? One day maybe, but not yet. They are the sort of names he is mizing with so 48 mil is hardly excessive...

[The only place to be 11,313]

You do realize when I say stuff in a discussion about a debatable issue where the opinions are divided (i.e. there are no absolute facts), it makes them my opinion. It's like when I say for example "Sturridge is better than Torres", I would not be claiming that is a fact but merely stating my opinion. It is the same as saying "I think Sturridge is better than Torres" but the "I think" part is omitted to show my confidence in my opinion but it is still an unproven opinion.

It's just my opinion but I would rather have Cavani, Ibra or Van Persie in my team over Radamel. But this is neither the place nor the time for this debate.

Sorry, but when you talk about players it's obvious that's an opinion. Largely it's a subjective view and there isn't always a definitive answer.

But when you say 'we can't afford it', that appears to be based on actual knowledge.

In future though, I'll make sure to note that you're simply pulling stuff out of your arse.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Edit: and don't mention Utd last year to formulate an argument this year. They have Van P now, they would merk Bilbao now.

its like you didnt read my post at all (and dont know enough about football). They wont merk Bilbao (of last season, Bilbao are pretty poor now). United havent improve anything but improve their attack force, so Bilbao would still play the better football and control the game.

"Regardless, you can look at any formidable team in Europe and I guarantee you will find holes. What you won't find is a lack of finishers"

maybe, but there are teams with much less "holes" than united. They shouldnt be an example, absolutely not.

[Hutcho 8,443]

You do realize when I say stuff in a discussion about a debatable issue where the opinions are divided (i.e. there are no absolute facts), it makes them my opinion. It's like when I say for example "Sturridge is better than Torres", I would not be claiming that is a fact but merely stating my opinion. It is the same as saying "I think Sturridge is better than Torres" but the "I think" part is omitted to show my confidence in my opinion but it is still an unproven opinion.

It's just my opinion but I would rather have Cavani, Ibra or Van Persie in my team over Radamel. But this is neither the place nor the time for this debate.

How much would they all cost though... RVP cost half of what falcao would cost, but he is 2 and a half years older and would have cost a lot more if we bought him as arsenal would not have let us have him for as cheap... Cavani, we would be lucky to get him for less than 45 mil. Ibra, exactly the same, so there is no way any of them would be any cheaper than falcao, and there is no debating they are all quality strikers. I would have falcao over all them 3 but its not like i wouldn't have cavani or be excited if we were being linked to him.