ILoveLamp 270 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 A fair point. Willian is effectively undroppable at the minute given his form. Like against West Ham you mean.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,913 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Needs to be given a run of games on the right with Willian as the #10 and Oscar's ass parked firmly on the bench. It's way, WAY too early to judge Cuadrado as he's barely played and is clearly being eased very slowly into the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Like against West Ham you mean.....? Was he dropped? Nope. Rotated for the tactically pertinent inclusion of Ramires, which ultimately led to us winning the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Yeah but I think people need to realize he wont get 3+ games in a row if he doesnt impress Mourinho. And so far Cuadrado was meh at best in games so far.While I dont blame Cuadrado for anything, you pay 30m for a player who will perform instantly, not for someone who will need time to adjust.If you sign Reus for example, he will take one month and then start performning well.If Cuadrado cant overtake Willian, he never will.I only wonder why do we spend 30m on player that wasnt meant to be given fair chance to show himself.Cuadrado needs to show more in order to bench Willian and he isnt doing that. When you buy player, he wont have guaranteed spot until he performs above average. If he does that, he gets more play time. Its simple as that.Mourinho will probably play Cuadrado this way for quite some time and if Juan wont perform above average, he wont get spot. simple as that. And people here after a year will say he didnt get chance etc etc. If you arrive for 30m, its your job to perform, one way or another. Instead all these players we have are just passive and then explode in other clubs. But I guess Mourinho restricts their roles massively. No free role or whatsoever and that makes hard to Cuadrado, Salah etc. Even when they get chance, they cant play their way and this is Mou problem to solve.And while speaking of game time, Isco for example was benched alot for Real in past two years, but still managed to impress in the time given and now is considered regular starter (he had some luck with James injury but still, performed very well).We are title contenders and we wont give players like Cuadrado much time to improve, impress perform whatsoever. They have to show it in time given that they are better. And since Willian aint that great in attack (been better this two months has to be said), I dont know how cant Cuadrado give more to attack. He is passive, like someone tied his hands. No spark whatsoever. And thats problem on Mou too.But if thats case, just dont spend 30m on such players. Either seriously count on them, or buy some 30 year old for 5m and play him for capital game every two months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekin 835 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I agree but only to a point. It is too early to reach a definitive conclusion but I see nothing wrong with a comment that says something like, I haven't been impressed with what I've seen so far, and indeed I haven't. If Juan is to get a chance to show us what he can do he'll have to impress Jose enough to get some game time. It seems he hasn't done that yet either. I don't mind if it takes till the end of the season before Cuadrado starts to show the kind of form we all wish for but I hope it happens by then. I would not want to see us start 2015/16 still searching for a solution at right-sided AM.Certainly, I was mostly referring to those who are already regretting the Salah+money-cuadrado swap because the player who hardly made an impact in Chelsea is suddenly banging in goals in Serie A. It is hardly a secret that he hasnt taken to the league in the style of Costa or even Zouma (who had no experience of PL before) but I think we might need to show some understanding for him, it has only been a bit over a month so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Always considered him a squad guy, change of pace, direct runner. He's been that but not yet to the standard I expected of him. January transfer is always a tough time to bed into a team particularly when you don't see much time... I think Henrique said it best, his first season will be next.Willian needs to score more but his overall play has been decent for us. Juan needs to be at least as good as Willian if he's gonna challenge for a start and right now he's still adjusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Yeah but I think people need to realize he wont get 3+ games in a row if he doesnt impress Mourinho. And so far Cuadrado was meh at best in games so far.While I dont blame Cuadrado for anything, you pay 30m for a player who will perform instantly, not for someone who will need time to adjust.If you sign Reus for example, he will take one month and then start performning well.If Cuadrado cant overtake Willian, he never will.I only wonder why do we spend 30m on player that wasnt meant to be given fair chance to show himself.Cuadrado needs to show more in order to bench Willian and he isnt doing that. When you buy player, he wont have guaranteed spot until he performs above average. If he does that, he gets more play time. Its simple as that.Mourinho will probably play Cuadrado this way for quite some time and if Juan wont perform above average, he wont get spot. simple as that. And people here after a year will say he didnt get chance etc etc. If you arrive for 30m, its your job to perform, one way or another. Instead all these players we have are just passive and then explode in other clubs. But I guess Mourinho restricts their roles massively. No free role or whatsoever and that makes hard to Cuadrado, Salah etc. Even when they get chance, they cant play their way and this is Mou problem to solve.And while speaking of game time, Isco for example was benched alot for Real in past two years, but still managed to impress in the time given and now is considered regular starter (he had some luck with James injury but still, performed very well).We are title contenders and we wont give players like Cuadrado much time to improve, impress perform whatsoever. They have to show it in time given that they are better. And since Willian aint that great in attack (been better this two months has to be said), I dont know how cant Cuadrado give more to attack. He is passive, like someone tied his hands. No spark whatsoever. And thats problem on Mou too.But if thats case, just dont spend 30m on such players. Either seriously count on them, or buy some 30 year old for 5m and play him for capital game every two months.I'm a little confused? Are you implying we paid 30m for Cuadrado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'm a little confused? Are you implying we paid 30m for Cuadrado?I thought I was the only one that noticed. Where is everyone getting the 30mil price from?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Wasnt it 30m euros? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I thought I was the only one that noticed. Where is everyone getting the 30mil price from??It seems like he cost around £27m (buyout clause).http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/02/juan-cuadrado-chelsea-fiorentina-signs-andre-schurrle-wolfsburghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2936646/Chelsea-sign-Juan-Cuadrado-Fiorentina-27million.htmlhttp://www1.skysports.com/football/news/21476/9682813/juan-cuadrado-we-profile-the-fiorentina-winger-who-is-a-chelsea-transfer-target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 He has looked tidy on the ball, but clearly hasnt no where near settled yet, he has been keeping it very simple so far, he hasnt been running at players trying to take them on, I really wanted us to sign Felipe Anderson instead as i think he was huge potential, but i am sure once he settles Cuadrado will show his quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Yeah but I think people need to realize he wont get 3+ games in a row if he doesnt impress Mourinho. And so far Cuadrado was meh at best in games so far.While I dont blame Cuadrado for anything, you pay 30m for a player who will perform instantly, not for someone who will need time to adjust.If you sign Reus for example, he will take one month and then start performning well.If Cuadrado cant overtake Willian, he never will.I only wonder why do we spend 30m on player that wasnt meant to be given fair chance to show himself.Cuadrado needs to show more in order to bench Willian and he isnt doing that. When you buy player, he wont have guaranteed spot until he performs above average. If he does that, he gets more play time. Its simple as that.Mourinho will probably play Cuadrado this way for quite some time and if Juan wont perform above average, he wont get spot. simple as that. And people here after a year will say he didnt get chance etc etc. If you arrive for 30m, its your job to perform, one way or another. Instead all these players we have are just passive and then explode in other clubs. But I guess Mourinho restricts their roles massively. No free role or whatsoever and that makes hard to Cuadrado, Salah etc. Even when they get chance, they cant play their way and this is Mou problem to solve.And while speaking of game time, Isco for example was benched alot for Real in past two years, but still managed to impress in the time given and now is considered regular starter (he had some luck with James injury but still, performed very well).We are title contenders and we wont give players like Cuadrado much time to improve, impress perform whatsoever. They have to show it in time given that they are better. And since Willian aint that great in attack (been better this two months has to be said), I dont know how cant Cuadrado give more to attack. He is passive, like someone tied his hands. No spark whatsoever. And thats problem on Mou too.But if thats case, just dont spend 30m on such players. Either seriously count on them, or buy some 30 year old for 5m and play him for capital game every two months.I understand your point, but the thing is every purchase is a gamble, whether it is 1m or 50m. We did that when we signed Salah last year, given him a chance, but he failed here, now we loaned him, he perform, credits to him. Having said that, I agree it is mainly because of he is given playing times more on smaller club, therefore his confident is back.When we buy Cuadrado, he is our best option out there at that moment, even media says so. His minutes of playing since then has been limited, it is 'hard' for him also because Willian, Hazard are on their top form. Although I could recalled, when Cuadrado played as a starter away, most people in here think he is playing well. What I am trying to say is that we should trust Jose and Cuadrado. Give him a time, the team are doing well at the moment. People please do not judged Cuadrado situation, mainly because Salah at the same time in Italy playing well. It is very unrelated imo.You know, what if Salah happened could not perform that well at Fiorentina, most people will still think Cuadrado was a brilliant signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I wasn't happy with him coming before he signed but the reaction after the past few performances is just not fair. He's only been here for a few weeks and is not used to the style of the team. He feels pressure and its clear he doesn't have a go at defenders like he did at Fiorentina. We need to give him time to adjust, its not easy to come from a terrible league to the premier league to a team who is challenging for the CL. I'm not saying he will definitely become a great player but for us, as supporters, it is a must to give him time especially given the situation he is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 To make it ease for some in here. What do we achieved, if we didn't buy Cuadrado back then and still have Salah in the squad? We may still 5 points clear at the top of the league, a game in hand, COC winner, strong position to qualified in CL, or could be worse. I couldn't imagine it will be better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveLamp 270 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Was he dropped? Nope. Rotated for the tactically pertinent inclusion of Ramires, which ultimately led to us winning the game. That's one way of looking at it, the other is he was dropped for Oscar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Shouldn't have even wasted the money in January. Not trusted in the champs league, and definitely not needed to win the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Shouldn't have even wasted the money in January. Not trusted in the champs league, and definitely not needed to win the league.A classic case of Jose wanting a player out and want a replacement immediately, ah well always a chance he could become a 2011-12 Ramires, but I wouldn't hope too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 A classic case of Jose wanting a player out and want a replacement immediately, ah well always a chance he could become a 2011-12 Ramires, but I wouldn't hope too muchThing is we could have saved the money and just reassessed the situation in the summer. Probably even get Reus.I am cheering for Cuadrado, I really am, but I am just not seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Thing is we could have saved the money and just reassessed the situation in the summer. Probably even get Reus.I am cheering for Cuadrado, I really am, but I am just not seeing it.It is not his fault either. The sad thing is he is not getting picked because Jose doesn't trust him DEFENSIVELY. If this was August I am sure he would probably have a couple of assists under his belt now because he is better than Willian attacking wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Shouldn't have even wasted the money in January. Not trusted in the champs league, and definitely not needed to win the league.Just another quick fix. We are wasting money on players you aren't as good or better than what we already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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